Why Obama is not progressive

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  1. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2012/07/marijuana_advocates_plan_prote.php

    In my opinion, a progressive is simply someone who recognizes failed policies, and does whatever he/she can to eliminate them and move forward. The drug war, failed policy. Completely failed, and is doing nothing but burning money. One of the most gigantic wastes of taxpayer dollars of all time.

    Obama has turned his back on progressives in my opinion, has lied to a piece of his base, and I also feel that this is the one thing that can be detrimental to his re-election. There is a whole slew of people on the West Coast, and in areas that are pro-marijuana who listened to this President say he would not waste taxpayer dollars to police medical marijuana, and here the DOJ is shutting down legal dispensaries who pay taxes and follow state laws and regulations at a record pace.

    It's going to be interesting to see if this really hurts his re-election campaign.
     
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    BHO is a big government eliteist who doesn't understand the principles on which our country was founded, built and attained greatness. BTW GW Bush and the Rep establishment are almost as big government. I think they have forgotten what GHW Bush & his generation fought for in WW2. It looks more like Stalin & the commies vs Hitler & NAZIs in the 30's & 40"s. Both wanted big government and control they argued about who should be on top.

    They are limitation of the powers of the state to protect the rights of the individual. This DOES NOT mean an Ayn Randian every man for himself sociiety or the cult of what good for business is good for the US attitude.
    The central government's duty is to protect us from foreign aggression and provide a fertile ground for the people to have the opportunity to life liberty & pursuit of happiness. To do so today requires much more than it used to. To some extent we have become hostage to the military-industrial complex Ike warned of. Add to that bankers and lawyers and you have a potent mix to foil the intentions the Declaration and Constitution so beautifully expressed.

    We live in an era of significant change and we need leaders who hold the principles our founders had and apply them in today's world. We can't go back to any "golden era" but we can build to one. I am convinced BHO is nothing more than a Chicago boss who never learned that to be a successful boss business has to work. He dismisses business and the individual to pray at the alter of government control.

    I don't know much about MR except he has been a successful leader and agent of change from Bain, to saving the Salt Lake Olympics, to being govenor of Mass. He seems pragmatic and that offers some faint measure of hope.
     
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    locoguano Founding Member

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    Progressive = Government knows better what is good for you than you do.
     
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    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I will always be anti-corporation. I'll be pro small business, but corporations are going to be the destruction of this planet. They would make arsenic a child food if they could make a dollar on it.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    why would that be profitable? the market protects us from that. the company that sells arsenic baby food quickly goes out of business.

    what is it about corporations that you think is so bad? the fact that they make everything you use/wear/eat? do you hate how they offer people jobs? do you hate how they create all sorts of incredible things and present them to us for voluntary purchase?

    everything, i like, the running shoes i love, my favorite books, my favorite movies, my favorite sporting leagues, all corporations. why be anti-corporation?
     
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    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    No, I hate the fact that they put profit above EVERYTHING. I'm just using arsenic as an example. And you say they offer people jobs. Well, they always have, except these days, they enjoy larger tax breaks, have armies of lawyers and lobbyists, and employ less workers. That's all we hear, is job creator this and job creator that, yet they don't create anything except for more profits. If they actually gave a shit about their consumers, like alot of corporations used to, and some still do today, I would have no issue with them. But they cut corners, water down products to make them cheaper, and now it's all a bunch of shit. They lie, cheat, steal, and they don't give a damn how many familes they destroy, or people they make sick or kill, as long as the money is rolling in.
     
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    i am still not clear on which corporation is forcing you to buy their products or making you work for them

    what do want them to do? come over and massage your feet? not sure why it hurts you that people are in the world selling things you do not have to buy.

    good for them, taxes are bad. everyone, inclusig corporations should pay lower taxes. better they have the money than the government. the governt uses money to do things like put pot somkers in jail corporations dont put pot smokers in jail. in fact if polt were legal, corporations would sell you the best pot you ever had, because they would want evil profits.

    how many workers do you require them to hire? seriously. how many? isnt it good to hire anyone at all? one person hired is good as far as i am concerned. and profits, whats wrong with them? when you go to work, do you do it for the profit?

    well, thats nt entirely accurate. corporations make lots of things. yunno, almost everything.

    again, i am curious as to who is forcing you to buy these things that are causing you so much hardship. i buy stuff from huge corporations all the time and i have been pretty happy with my stuff. perhaps you should do more research before you buy stuff. and really how much stuff do you need? are you such a narcissistic consumer that you are always buying more and more and more? and you are sad because you are buying low quality stuff? i am not sure i understand your problem.

    you say corporations make you sick and kill people or whatever. that is weird. in my case they keep me alive. when i was a kid i had terrible lung problems and i cured them with medications and treatment provided by evil corporations. my dad has multiple stents in his arteries that help him stay alive. those stents where manufactured by huge medical supply corporations that make lots of profits. i didnt buy ay of the stents because i didnt need them. so they didnt make profits from me. they engaged in an exchange for mutual benefit with my dad, wh was happy to have them profit off of him, because the stents were worth more to him than the money he paid. thats the nature of trade. the medical company was motivated by profit and needed to make profits to stay in business. so they are so evil that they are saving my dad's life.

    you live in a free country. people are free to trade things with each other for mutual benefit. now man up and stop your bitching, pussy.
     
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    lasalle, honestly, provide me an example of a time when a corporation made your life worse. i can think of maybe 100 times per minute when a corporation made my life better.
     

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