Why Not Gary Johnson???

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  1. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    I guess they are moderate in the sense that they have ideals from across the political spectrum. That is not pragmatic on centrist though. So red's about moderates choosing Libertarians as a moderate alternative to Republicans seems off.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    At this point in time, absolutely. But it has not always been so and may not always be so. Right now the Republicans are fucking horrible. They have lost the moderates.
     
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    So if the spectrum shifts maybe you should right now call yourself a moderate democrat. Probably a more useful definition, because In practice you favor democrat policy.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    But socially they are far more moderate. martin insists that libertarians are not on the regular political scale but they really are. However off to one side they may be, they still are mostly between the right and left.

    http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012

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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Stop being a goddamn liar. Stop trying to spin my positions. I have never taken such a position, you just made it up because you want to argue against it. My logical arguments shred your philosophical ones.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Many former Republicans are now Libertarians. So many Republicans harbor Libertarian beliefs that there is a general term for them . . . Libertarian Republicans.

    From Wikipedia . . .

    A Libertarian Republican is a person who subscribes to libertarian philosophy while typically voting for and being involved with theUnited States Republican Party.
    Sometimes the terms republitarian or liberty Republican are used as well. Libertarian Republicans' views are similar to Libertarian Party members, but differ in regard to the strategy used to implement libertarian policies and on some issues of civil liberties. Libertarian Republicans represent a political faction within the Republican Party.

    From The Libertarian Republican website . . .

    What's a Libertarian Republican?

    Libertarian Republicans are libertarians who believe in working within the Republican Party to advance the agenda of liberty. Many libertarian Republicans are former member of the Libertarian Party who have left to join the GOP. Others keep their current affiliation with the Libertarian Party while still participating in Republican politics, as well. Still others are lifelong Republicans who have always felt a kinship to the libertarian movement, and libertarian beliefs. Most libertarian Republicans are active to some degree with the Republican Liberty Caucus, which represents the libertarian wing of the GOP.

    From the Illinois Libertarian Party website FAQ

    Are Libertarians more like Democrats or Republicans?


    Libertarians take the sensible center position between the left and the right.
    Many argue that there are two conservative parties--Republicans and Libertarians. Check it out.

    Libertarian party is an ideal choice for the college conservative
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Not really. There are Democratic policies that I don't agree with. Just fewer than the Republican policies that I don't agree with. I do not vote in lockstep with Democrats, having voted for many Republicans over the years. My policies are still moderate, its just that the democrats policies extend to the middle, where as current Republicans policies have moved to the right and left a large gap between them and the middle. Moderates definitely blame the GOP for the Congressional intransigence and gridlock.
     
  8. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    I would say Libertarians are either left or right on social issues. It really depends on the individual, and the party platform is almost always that states should decide. On abortion Ron Paul is pro-life and Johnson is pro-choice, but both say it should be an issue decided by states. On gun rights most Libertarians are to the right of Republicans.

    I don't see how a party that is generally on an extreme on a given issue can be a moderate alternative.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, what I was saying was that more votes for the Libertarians will take away from Republican votes. So I was really suggesting that Libertarians are more conservative than moderate. I don't think they take many votes from democrats.
     
  10. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    I don't think they take many votes from Republicans. Most folks who vote Libertarian wouldn't vote for the candidates the Republicans and Democrats are pushing out.
     

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