Why doesn't Lee deserve a second chance?

Discussion in 'The Tiger's Den' started by armybass, Oct 11, 2009.

  1. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2008
    Messages:
    44,037
    Likes Received:
    18,027
    I have to say i agree that the Quarterback situation needs to be evaluated. I don't like the fact that Lee has no wheels to pick up those first downs when the pocket collapses, but we are in this race for the West and we need a capable quarterback, and JJ isn't getting it done. Maybe competition will help him in the long run. I think Lee needs to be looked at as an option.
     
  2. JohnLSU

    JohnLSU Tigers

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2007
    Messages:
    6,870
    Likes Received:
    293
    Lee is the man!!! General Lee!!! ZOMG Lee is horrible!!! Put in JJ!!! JJ is the man!!! ZOMG JJ is horrible!!! Put in Lee!!! Put in Shep!!! ZOMG!!!

    Back-up QBs are always the most popular guy on the team.
     
  3. JSracing

    JSracing Founding Member

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2003
    Messages:
    5,069
    Likes Received:
    152
    because most of those sacks would have been INT's ... unless Lee has changed and he may have.
    At best they would have been sacks. Its not the QB its the O line...and the O scheme. the other SEC teams pretty much know what to expect from us. We ve been succesful because of talent, we can run faster than they can, until we meet a team with as much talent as we do like Forida.... that levels the playing field.
     
  4. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2008
    Messages:
    44,037
    Likes Received:
    18,027
    You are wrong. Most of the sacks Jefferson has taken this year have been coverage sacks. And there have been receivers open, Jefferson seems to be too scared to pull the trigger. A quarterback is supposed to take the snap, make a read and throw the ball. He should have the ball in his hands no longer than 3 seconds unless he is planning on running. He is taking way too long to make reads, and waiting for something to develop, and you just can't do that, not in the SEC. You cannot blame that on the offensive line, they can only hold those guys at bay for so long.
     
    1 person likes this.
  5. LSU_TheChamp

    LSU_TheChamp Founding Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    90
    Likes Received:
    6
    You know some football, my friend. JJ needs to sit down and watch JL playing one or two series.
     
  6. wbnolan

    wbnolan Freshman

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2009
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    That is an epiphany. It does look like that scenario has potential.

    I still believe our biggest problem is not whether we line up with JL or JJ or RS. The problem is the play calling 1st, and execution 2nd. When JJ has been sacked it has been (most often) because he is being pressured and does not have a short route outlet or dump off receiver. If you sit in the stadium for the game, you can see that clearly, over and over again. That is poor play calling. And I believe Gary Crowton is calling the play. Crowton has never had long term success at any program. His run at LSU should come to an end this season, if he is unwilling to change.
     
  7. wbnolan

    wbnolan Freshman

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2009
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hey LaSalle, I was at the GA game, and Jefferson was sacked because he had no one to throw to. The routes were too long and he was waiting on his receivers. He would have needed 1 or 2 more seconds at least to even have a chance of getting the pass out. If JL had been in, we might have seen some more picks.

    As for me, Crowton, needs to have a personality change. His play calling is horrible. The option play is poor at best, and he runs it into the short side 100% of the time. He does not consistently run screens from game to game at the appropriat times, he runs up the middle with no misdirection to take advantage of speed. I could go on, but any fan that is a student of the game would know that the play calling is very very poor.

    Yes we must execute better on the o-line and Jefferson has to get the ball out faster. But the play calling has been inappropriate to the personnel in every single game.

    LSU has all the talent they need to beat anyone. I'm just not sure about the coaching this year on the offensive side of the ball. Not sure how much Coach Miles plays into it, but he needs to get into it and fast.

    I would not be upset to see Lee in for a series in our next game. Their kids, let 'em play. That is why they are on the roster. He looks ready to go in warmup on the sidelines, and on the two snaps he's had. Let Russel play. He is fast, elusive, and who knows maybe he can throw it too.

    I like to pound the ball with the run. But, we need counter, misdirection, off-tackle runs. This will slow down the rush on a play action pass and improve our passing game.

    I am hopeful for the rest of the season to turn up, not down. Forever Faithful L-S-U! Geaux Tigers!
     
  8. Jetstorm

    Jetstorm Founding Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2002
    Messages:
    1,218
    Likes Received:
    29
    Good points made. This vicious cycle must be broken if we are to get better offensively. Unfortunately, it appears we have a fanbase, a financial/booster/leadership base, and apparently, a coaching staff, completely unable to tolerate two, maybe three seasons, of being a complete non-factor in SEC and national championship contention whilst breaking in a quarterback and building up that young man (Jefferson, Lee, Shepard, whoever) to the point where he can win the big games and make all the throws whilst not making mistakes. You learn how to do that by trial and error, by throwing pick-sixes, taking sacks, and just generally screwing up and learning what NOT to do. There is no other way.

    Lee went out there and did what he was coached to do and tried to be a gunslinger, and it got thrown back in his face, branded damaged goods forever by a fan base and a coaching staff who turned on him. Jefferson saw that happen, he's scared to death the exact same thing will happen to him, the coaching staff is too, so they won't let him go out there and just play, and Jefferson feels that lack of confidence, so he plays tight, scared to make a mistake, and holds the ball forever and gets sacked, but hey, at least he didn't throw a pick six. Three points and 161 yards of total offense. Nothing risked, nothing gained, my friends.

    He's not even allowed to react to his own reads, he has to look to the sideline for the play call. What kind of crap is that? I remember when Gary Crowton coached Tim Rattay up at La. Tech 10 years ago. Rattay NEVER looked to the sidelines for the read call. NEVER. He didn't have to. I don't think Matt Flynn ever did either. What happened between then and now? You may say, "well Jefferson and Lee ain't Tim Rattay or even Matt Flynn." Well, neither one will amount to anything if you don't trust them to play. If you can't trust either one to execute your offense, then either your offense is too complex, or you've found yourself without a quarterback, which is a bad place to be.

    It truly doesn't matter to me who the starter is. Pick a guy, and he is your guy. They picked Jefferson. Fine. Then put ABSOLUTE trust in him to call the plays, run the offense, and throw it all over the field. And if he screws up, he screws up. It's the only way he'll learn. If he can't play absolutely fearless, or you are incapable of trusting him to that extent, then put somebody in there who you can trust and who will play fearless.

    I'm not a fan of playing two guys though. I've always thought if you have two, you really have none. Don't yank your quarterback when he throws one interception or one sack. Replace the quarterback only if your first one has been a complete and utter failure. If you see real improvement with the second, go with him. That's just the way I see it.
     

Share This Page