When a Coach Loses Control of His Team...

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  1. ParadiseiNC

    ParadiseiNC don't worry, be happy

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    WCT, I agree with your comments here, but they are different than what TC is saying. He is saying CLM, and by extension LSU, are done - meaning next year will be the same decline. You are saying, get a new DC, continue to recruit well, make improvements at QB and right the ship. If not, then the ship will set sail on CLMs career at LSU. I think most of us kool-aid drinkers would agree with this, and it is not negative thinking, it's pragmatic. I agree with a new poster on the recruiting section who analogizes this scenario to catastrophe syndrome - i.e., all doom and gloom thinking.
     
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  2. lsudolemite

    lsudolemite CodeJockey Extraordinaire

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    What exactly qualifies as a "decline"? If it's based on the outcome of just one season, Oklahoma went through a decline in 2005 after Boise State beat them. Florida went through a decline last year, as others have pointed out, USC has been on a steady "decline" since Bush and Leinart left, and LSU went through a decline in 2002 and 2004.

    What kills a lot of people, myself included, is that there's just no way to know how things will turn out until we see the postseason moves by Miles. Until then, there's just not enough info to make conclusions one way or the other.
     
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  3. ParadiseiNC

    ParadiseiNC don't worry, be happy

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    Right.
     
  4. TC

    TC Le Big Mac

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    This is ridiculous. Oklahoma, Florida, and USC are competing for conference championships and a national title this year.

    LSU is going to the Liberty Bowl where they will be underdogs to a Conference USA team.

    Quit being silly. :dis:
     
  5. ParadiseiNC

    ParadiseiNC don't worry, be happy

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    But, that is not comparing apples to apples. What did those teams do when they had "off years"?
     
  6. lsudolemite

    lsudolemite CodeJockey Extraordinaire

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    Not the point. Too may people want to write off the future of this program under Miles based on the outcome of a single season. If a decline means not winning a NC, USC is in a rut because they have lost to vastly inferior teams (talent-wise) every year since the 2005 season, but USC has the benefit of being a big fish in a small pond. Florida got beat in their bowl by a team who got humiliated by App. State. And how many people were predicting that the dark ages were here to stay after the UAB game, one year after an SEC title? (I'd love to see some posts from 2002 on that.)

    All those programs bounced back the year following their "decline". Could LSU be at the top of a long slide downwards into perennial mediocrity? It's a possibility. But LSU has so much going for it from a talent perspective that if the coaching is corrected, there's no reason this team can't similarly bounce back into championship form. This doesn't even begin to account for all the variables involved with RP, unfriendly schedule, resurgent SEC West, general timing, etc. The point is that there's simply no way to know right now how Miles will react/adjust to a disappointing season before the college football season is even over, much less predict what will happen in 2009.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I'm not going to try to argue with you for damn sure, but I'll just point out that losing a few football games in no evidence whatsoever that a coach has "lost his team". You're completely wrong if you think "anyone" agrees with you on this. :angry:

    i know you don't know it, but you've gone round the bend . :insane:

    Would you like to make a small wager on that? :lol: A grand says Les is still coach next year. :grin:
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Look:

    1. New guys don't make the rules here, you don't even know us yet.

    2. This isn't a rant board like TigerDroppings. It's time you figure that out.

    3. You can say what you want to here, but if you make a provocative, controversial, or pot-stirring comment, people just might object to it and get right in your face about it. That's just the way it is. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
     
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  9. StaceyO

    StaceyO Football Turns Me On

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    I can't give you any rep for that, Red, but this post is right-on.
     
  10. stevescookin

    stevescookin Certified Who Dat

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    Hey this may not exactly follow the last few posts, but it is in the theme of the original thread (concerning coaching control of a team). I just saw the first half of the iron bowl and many nice defensive plays were made by Alabama. With the exception of some head shaking and players making the incomplete sign, I didn't see any Alabama players imitating King Kong when they did their jobs. And this is Alabama- you know the team that had 10 players arrested (one for armed robbery). this is the team who has more players with street names instead of nicknames. Yet their head coach must not allow all that "me first" gesticulation that opposes the togetherness and unity of the team. Do ya think that indicates that he has control?
     
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