What was the deal with the onside kick?

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  1. bhelmLSU

    bhelmLSU Founding Member Staff Member

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    I believe it would be a re-kick
     
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  2. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    This is what I think.
     
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  3. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    But the LSU player CHOSE to cross into the dead zone before 10 yards. He is fair game to hit wherever he chooses to go.

    I do think they should change the rule that if a player from the receiving team gets aggressive and comes across the 10 yard line towards the kicking team that he must be allowed to touch the ball first before getting hit, just like you would call defensive interference on a cornerback. You can time your hit just right and jar it loose, then good for you and your team. If you hit him before the player touches the ball, then it's a penalty for interference. But only if it is within the first 10 yards.
     
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  4. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    We don't know that.

    Bhelm's research into the penalty ruling did not assess what happens in the first 10 yards of the ball's travel. It appears it is the same no matter where you are on the field. You're fair game to be hit and there isn't any such thing as "early contact".

    Tirk's ruling he found appears to be regarding balls kicked into the air only. Not grounded balls.
     
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  5. Crip*TEAM KATT

    Crip*TEAM KATT As Wild As We Wanna Be

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    Just my 2 cents here nothing official

    On onside kick is looked at like a fumble AFTER it goes 10 yards.

    I use to be on the onside kick team in high school and my job was to run down and knock the piss out of the 1st player I came to..the "hands" guys coming behind me were to worry about the ball...I cleared the path.

    Last night what happened was the LSU player chose to cross over the 10 yard line and that changes things.

    Had he not and UNC touched the ball its a rekick if it goes out of bounds then its LSU's ball

    BUT by crossing the 10 yard mark the LSU player is "making an attempt" at a LOOSE BALL and there for becomes fair game.

    Had he stayed at the 10 yards and got hit with the ball not traveling the right distance then we would have seen a pelenty on UNC.

    But that 1 yard slip of mental awareness almost cost us the game.

    Again not official rule..just simply what I remember.
     
    Crip*TEAM KATT, Sep 5, 2010
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  6. flabengal

    flabengal Founding Member

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    As a purely recreational football fan...I agree with Team Katt's explanation.
     
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  7. bhelmLSU

    bhelmLSU Founding Member Staff Member

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    Well we do know that if the receiving team touches the ball at anytime before the 10 yards it is a live ball based on the rules.

    You are right that nothing in the rules states anything about a receiving team within the 10 yard boundary or the actions of the kicking team making contact with a player in the neutral zone.

    Which leads me to believe if it is not specifically stated in the rules it must therefore be a judgement call.

    Edit: Found some more exceptions:

    The play was called the way it was because the receiving team player touched the ball.

    NOW what was missed is that it is ILLEGAL to block a receiving teams player UNTIL the ball has gone 10 yards.

    This happened in the 2009 Bama/Tenn game and here is what a NCAA Official replied:

     
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  8. LSU-SIU

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    1.) the ball was illegally touched or illegally blocked the receiver.
    2.) receiver/blocker was tackled, it doesn't matter whether it's special teams, defense, or offense... YOU CAN'T TACKLE A PLAYER UNLESS HE HAS THE BALL... it doesn't matter how many times you say well I played JV and we tackled non-ball carriers... YOU CAN'T DO IT... you certainly can hit but you can't tackle... that was a tackle
    3.) AND THE RULES DO SAY THAT THIS COULD BE A CASE OF HITTING A DEFENSELESS PLAYER... which there is little doubt there... he never had a chance

    The officials made a bad call for several reasons.
     
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  9. dudley

    dudley oops!

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    Onside Kick??

    Questions about the onside kick.

    1. Was at least 1 and as many as 4 UNC players offsides? I believe so but I can't stop my replay exactly when I want to after about 15 tries.

    2. The ball did not go 10 yards but Alfred Blue stepped out to catch it.
    Before (yes before) he could catch it a UNC player (who was offsides) hit him. The ball then hit Blue, bounced off and was recovered by UNC.

    On a normal kickoff that would have been a penalty. You have to give the receiver a chance to catch the ball. Does that not apply on an onsides kick.

    On that note could Blue have called for a fair catch?
     
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  10. bhelmLSU

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