What was the deal with the onside kick?

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  1. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    yes but its after the ball traveled the required 10 yards. thats why they try to get the kick so high on the bounce. so the kicking team can buy enough time.


    you guys are overthinking it i do believe.
     
    tirk, Sep 5, 2010
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  2. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    I agree with this. I found it extremely interesting that they were reviewing whether or not they should have thrown a flag.

    I am trying to think of any other situation in which this could happen. You wouldn't do it for roughing the passer, or holding like you said, or illegal procedure.

    I have nothing on this one.

    I assume they were simply seeing if the NC player touched it first, however.
     
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  3. StaceyO

    StaceyO Football Turns Me On

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    Please don't give the SEC refs any more ways in which they might throw flags. I wouldn't be shocked to see something like that happen at Alabama or AU.
     
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  4. LSU-SIU

    LSU-SIU Founding Member

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    Well its a exploit in the rules if you ask me, just go down and tackle everyone on the other side of the field and it doesn't matter where they are.

    I am sorry but this can exploited to death and increase recover rate to very high levels. The guy has to be given a chance to catch the ball within the first 10 yards.

    I am sorry you can't have the other team tackle your guy when he doesn't have the ball then the ball bounces off of him... not going to work.
     
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  5. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    Beyond 10 yards, teams try to do this all the time.

    The problem is, if the ball is kicked past 10 yards, the kicking team usually doesn't get down there quick enough to impede the receiving team.

    This is just an unusual circumstance of the receiving team taking the initiative in trying to get the ball before it goes 10 yards.
     
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  6. OkieTigerTK

    OkieTigerTK Tornado Alley

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    this.

    and this. on the first review i held my breath because it was sec refs.
     
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  7. COramprat

    COramprat Simma Da Na

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    I don't think they were reviewing throwing a flag because issuing penalties under a review isn't allowed. I think they were only looking to see if the ball had traveled 10 yards and if not had it been touched but the receiving team. It didn't seem as if they were worried about the contact before the ball arrived.

    That said I think they paid it even when we got the no-call on pass interference on the last play of the game
     
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  8. LSU-SIU

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    I am sorry but if you kick it less than 10 yards and it can be recovered the receiver should be able to get an opportunity. Whether this is part of the rules or not is beside the point... if they kick it within 10 yards I don't think they should be able to tackle the receiver before he has the ball.

    You can't tackle a blocker, in essence that is what happened... yes it was against the rules. He didn't hit him, he tackled him. It's really defensive holding if you ask me.

    A defender can't tackle a non-ball carrier.
     
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  9. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    well then what's the difference in the rule if it travels past 10 yards or short of 10 yards?

    you're saying it would have been fair to do that if the ball traveled past the requisite 10 yards, so why would the rule be different just because it is before 10 yards

    Let's say Blue didn't even touch the ball and he got blown back by the kicking team. Then the ball is still bouncing and now the kicking team HAS to wait until the ball clears that 10 yard line. I don't think you could say "hey you can't push Blue back like that". Sure the kicking team can. It's an all out scrum. But in this case, the NC player appeared to play it perfectly, hitting the LSU player just before he was going to touch the ball, giving him little chance to actually recover it.

    The more I think about it, the more I think it was simply a genius play the North Carolina player. Or maybe just a lucky play, more likely.
     
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  10. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    the difference is he cant be touched unless it goes 10 yards. which it didnt. he was the receiver. he was not given opportunity to field the kick. penalty. period.
     
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