What about Ukraine and Russia?

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  1. XXL TideFan

    XXL TideFan Founding Member

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    This is a root issue on different levels when speaking of geo politics. What has always been an American “quest for democracy” is equated to morals. They are not the same thing and are rarely if ever applied in the national interest. We have killed enough people as a country since WW2 for no good reason other than corporate greed. Did you know that there have been very few years in the history of the US that we haven’t been at war of some sorts? 15 years according the the following blurb. That is national sin not morals.
    https://medium.com/traveling-throug...-of-the-united-states-of-america-c479193df79f
     
  2. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    What’s more child like? Me openly discussing and asking what gives you or America moral authority over the world or your refusal to engage in criticism of your personal world view?

    This is the same arrogance the America politicians have used to send our kids to die in foreign lands.

    What is wrong with building a land, America, as an example of our values and create a system to allow others to join? Must we blow up parts of the world to get our values across?
     
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  4. Jmg

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    winston you have to consider the will of the people. you dont just go in guns blazin and be the hero.

    in vietnam, we were not greeted as heroes. do you know why? here let this guy explain it:




    in the population when there is significant numbers of the population that favor both sides, its trouble. you cant tell who is who. its an absolute clusterfuck. and ukraine has a huge number of people that like russia and are happy to have them. the media wont show these folks, becsaue they want to portray a simple good/evil scenario. and we imagine everyone loves freedom and hates putin so surely everyone is with us. they arent. thats why its best to leave it be. especially in the east where if you fight russia the local people might be the ones that shoot you.
     
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  5. Winston1

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    Interesting article about Ukrainian air warfare.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/expect-air-warfare-ukraine-apos-164245240.html

    "The big thing is, though, what is to come? You have to wonder whether the Russian Air Force will emerge over time," Robinson told Fox News. "That's the real question."

    "As to why they haven't emerged so far, there's speculation around the actual capability of the Russian Air Force versus the perceived capability of what they have," Robinson said.

    "There's speculation around a lack of sophisticated precision-guided munitions and targeting pods, which allows a certain degree of standoff and to preserve range," he continued. "Without those, they have to get up close and personal, which drags them to within range of things like Stinger missiles that Ukrainian soldiers can operate on the ground."
     
  7. onceanlsufan

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    I've been catching all of this information from other sites as well. The guy is spot on ... it is our MEDIA!

    The total lack of integrity of our MEDIA is why I am almost certain that the last election was stolen. Trump was pulling us out of international politics, preferring simply to focus on trade. The war hawks of D.C. couldn't have that.

    IMO humble .... errr ... arrogant opinion ... the US and NATO have put up a malicious front that is outdated and no longer needed. The answer to this entire problem was ... To offer RUSSIA to join NATO!! Make a trade partner out of them. Russia would have had no problem with Ukraine joining NATO if Russia itself was a member of NATO.

    THINK of all the issues that would be solved if we just went to RUSSIA and said, we WANT you!! We are NOT out to get you! Trade with us! I'd be willing to bet you'd see a different attitude at those UN Security Council meetings.

    Russia is NOT our biggest enemy these days and only a dumbass can't see that. CHINA is the much bigger threat. Russia is not even communists anymore ... CHINA is. This is all really sad to me. And ... dang ... think about all the hot Russian and Ukranian women that are going to get killed in this mess!! :p
     
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  8. onceanlsufan

    onceanlsufan Founding Member

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    Winston .... one day you'll pull your head out of your butt and realize that OUR POLITICIANS and Washington D.C. is are the most CORRUPT cabal on the face of the earth. This whole fiasco is OUR FAULT!! Our STINKING politicians meddle in other people's affairs, and we tilt the deck in our favor, using other nations and pawns.

    That tweet is akin to blaming the woman who is being raped for blowing her rapists dick off with a 45!!
     
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    nah, NATO is still needed to do the exact job they were designed for, protect countries that are allied with the west from russian expansion and a rebuilding of soviet empire
     

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