War without Congressional Approval

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  1. Rwilliams

    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    It doesn't matter. Just like lasalle's joke artical about republicans criticizing Obama for curing cancer , almost all democrats will demonize bush for everything. Bush will always be stupid and a cowboy. Nothing bush ever did was acceptable to them and I feel that the leftist press all but ruined bush's presidency. Bush made a lot of mistakes that's for sure. Bush was also sincere in his wish to protect and serve the American people. I would vote for bush again today before voting for Obama or any other democrat. Hell I would vote for charlie sheen or Mickey mouse before I would ever vote for Obama. Many will bash me for saying that but I'm honest. Lasalle would vote for Mickey mouse before he would vote republican.
     
  2. Rex_B

    Rex_B Geaux Time

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    And?

    FactCheck.org: Were there really weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when the U.S. invaded in 2003?
     
  3. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    I read parts. It is a typical conservative blog which is going way too far on the expired mustard and sarin gas shells found. These were not workable weapons. They were not usable and were not evidence of a working WMD program.



    I am not in a position to prove anything. You made the positive claim that WMD were moved out of Iraq. Where is the evidence for this? There is none? The CIA and military intelligence have both said the liklihood of such a movement is nil.

    Yes. And what you are basing your evidence on is right wing political bloggers.


    But you are making the positive claim. The burden of proof is on you.



    Another one sided blog that makes no mention that the shells found were had exceeded the half life of the agents and were untouched for 10 plus years.

    What we found is exactly what UNSCOM told us we would find, old useless munitions that at one time were WMD.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, that's not the issue. :huh:

    I've offered the testimony of the UNSCOM experts that were there on the ground, you have offered nothing.

    I don't know where this quote came from, but I did not find it in the ISG report. I did find these conclusions, though . . .

    And the 2005 addentum to the report added these conclusions . . .



    Well, the ISP report that you cited concludes "the WMD investigation has gone as far as feasible".

    Bottom line, Dood . . . The WMD's have never been found which backs up the testimony that most were destroyed in Gulf War bombing in 1991, the rest were destroyed by UNSCOM inspectors in the 1991-1999 period. The Iraq army had none to use in 2003, the US army found none despite an intensive search, and the ISP found none in their post-mortem.

    You can rationalize your disbelief is you wish, but don't mistake it for evidence.
     
  5. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    You are speculating based upon available information...just like I am.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    It's not a speculation. The WMD's were never found. If you think they have been found, then make your case.
    Much evidence exists to document why they were never found (see above) . . . they had been destroyed.

    You are the one speculating that they still exist and offering no evidence to support it. As usual.
     
  7. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I'm speculating that they did exist and were hidden or moved. You have no proof to the contrary.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Perhaps unicorns moved them to Utopia. Yeah, that's the ticket . . .
     
  9. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    Like I said Red, that's fine you can claim "ZERO" were found, but that's just a theory.

    Yet another article stating more were found AFTER the war.....

    WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results | Danger Room | Wired.com

    I love how ya'll backtrack and say the "burden of proof is on me" like its's fine and dandy for ya'll to spew you claims based on the evidence you would like to believe, but when others do it who conflict with you belief's but have just as much evidence to start the debate, we some how have the "burden of proof".. As if you don't?

    http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf
     
  10. flabengal

    flabengal Founding Member

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    I'm in agreement with Red on this one....WMDs were a cover story for the US war of agression in Iraq. The real question is since WMDs did not exist and Iraq in no way was a threat to the US, why the hell did Bush want so badly to invade Iraq? What was the point?

    Also, it seems to be another example of a nuclear power waging war on a non-nuclear state. This makes me all the more suspicious about the US/Israeli intentions in regard to Iran.

    The aggressive stance of US foreign policy is going to backfire at some point....and in the not to distance future, either. Now we are involved in a civil war in Libya with a dictator we were friendly with only a few months ago.:rolleye33:
     

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