I'm not going to try and take anything away from Ranger training because it is tough and physically demanding but a very big part of it is sleep deprivation. The things you do aren't really outlandish or extraordinary but you do them with very little if any sleep and not much food. Like vball said it's a mental thing. I've seen all walks of people with a tab, good for them, now go be in a Ranger Batt and we are talking. The most of them sit behind a desk.
Oh hell yes, there isn't a truck load of dumb Lt. Jokes for no reason. In Iraq we had a commander that I called Kramer because he acted just like him.
They completed a "difficult preliminary course" in order to try Ranger school. Nobody has details about what course was but I am curious if it's different than the men. They also were allowed to start the entire Ranger training over after failing the first phase two times. It is rare for a man to be allowed to do that. As red said, these two are about as exceptional as you can find in terms of fitness, intelligence, and achievement. They also had people watching and helping them. There aren't any 'helpers' in Coronado.
i thought they had completed the entire program, thanks for the help. I dont think women should be in combat roles. This is too progressive.
We're not to 2016 yet. Panetta's mandate is very clear. "Like the conventional force, its leaders will have to present a convincing case to senior Pentagon leaders if it wants to keep women out of certain jobs." Panetta made the rules. The Pentagon has to follow them. The actual command wasn't necessarily in agreement with Leon. "In 2013, when the planning was in its infancy, then-Maj. Gen. Bennet Sacolick spoke of demanding nature of missions requiring forces "to operate in small, self-contained teams, many of which are in austere, geographically isolated, politically sensitive environments for extended periods of time." "The research is part of a three-year project mandated in January 2012 by then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, who said the services must integrate women into all jobs by 2016, or request exceptions based on rigorous analysis." It's a social experiment being driven by people who have nothing better to do, enjoy wasting the gubment's money, and have no problems with expanding their recruiting base. "The Marine Corps opened its grueling Infantry Officer Course to women in 2012, part of the Pentagon’s effort to assess how it should integrate female service members into more jobs." Why is the Pentagon assessing why it SHOULD integrate? Who said it was necessary to do so? And what's so funny is the Marines couldn't get enough volunteers for their IOC "research" and ended up changing the criteria last summer to allow seasoned lieutenants and captains to attempt IOC as long as they completed the male version of the service’s annual fitness test, which requires at least five pull-ups, and a combat fitness test." So in 3 years, how did the Marine IOC project go? Including 2 USNA graduates, women were 0 for 29. So are West Pointers so much better than USNA Midshipmen? Is IOC training that much more difficult than Ranger school? Surveys have indicated that elite units are not the place for women....and there are women in other spec ops jobs who agree with that. So instead of command preparing our people, focusing on mission success, we have this....."In an email last month to members of the special operations forces across the services, Gen. Joseph Votel, head of U.S. Special Operations Command, said leaders had done initial analysis on training, facilities, education and other policies. Now, officials are examining "the social and cultural challenges of integrating females" into male-only jobs."
I was just curious, I'm aware their plight is a little different. They are basically raised in a war zone.
Everything is different. Jewishness, for lack of a better term, is passed matrilineally. They are required to serve and have been since before the establishment of Israel in 1948. I think something like 35% of IDF forces are women and almost half of the officers. The truth is however, that at one time, fear of rape and torture from capture kept them from front-line jobs but when a troop shortage occurred, they changed tactics and allowed women in. That's quite a cultural sacrifice and it appears the US is doing much the same but on a smaller scale and under the guise of a "research project".
This reads that the army is not restricting access to combat jobs unless there is a good reason. And it appears that the army is not assigning women to combat jobs unless they qualify like the men do. And most of them don't, understandably. But the ones that do qualify can serve. I see no problem with approving the few that qualify. No, we can't ignore that very real evidence, nor the Soviet women who fought effectively in World War II. Nearly 50 percent of Israel's lieutenants and captains are women, but very few Israeli women serve in combat units. The ones that do have been effective and the men have largely gotten over their doubts about them. Soviet women served as pilots, snipers, machine gunners, tank crew members and partisans, but mostly in auxiliary roles. Some women can hack it. Most can't.
