Tyke Tolbert Hired

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  1. geauxgeauxhon

    geauxgeauxhon blah blah blah

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    The dude used 'probably' a lot last year too, as a lot had to do with Malleveto finding jobs so they could quit rather than be fired. Over the past three or so years he's been posting, he's always said 'probably' and 'my best guess' and 'what I've heard'. When he uses those terms, things always turn out like he 'guesses'. I'm hoping this time, it's the same outcome with Crowton. He's stated that CLM has talked to potential OCs, which says quite a bit.
     
  2. TGer'nLHornLand

    TGer'nLHornLand Founding Member

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    More board mania.... this will be proven wrong. Just like folks jumped the gun on Tolbert.
     
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  3. TigerBacker70

    TigerBacker70 I'm the Cock of the Walk!

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    I have to disagree with you.

    Objectively there is absolutely no "might not do their job well enough" involved in this situation. Do we have less talent on offense than nearly every other team in the nation? Hardly. Yet our team performed near the bottom of almost every offensive statistical category. What could be the issue besides coaching? I don't think it's the players' lack of physical ability. Do you? As a professional you get paid to do a job well. If you're not doing it well, it isn't your employer's responsibility to find you another job before firing you if you aren't doing what you're paid to do.

    Sure any of us would appreciate the same courtesy, but do you expect it? Should you? No way. Has anyone here ever been fired for poor performance of our job duties and had their terminating employer find them a new job doing the same thing and put in a good word for them there? I've never heard of that.

    Good CEOs, and most will agree that CLM is a CEO type head coach, succeed by putting the right executives (coaches) under them to do a good job (win big games) and make them and the company (LSU football team) excel. My opinion is that CLM hasn't done a great overall job of finding and hiring the right coaches. I hope he improves at that instead of being loyal to his employees who suck at their job. Otherwise, he is eventually going to be held ultimately responsible and when he's replaced a lot of fans will be pissed and say he didn't deserve it. He has a chance to help himself by hiring competent coaches to make him look good at areas where he doesn't excel. Coach Crow hasn't been doing that at all.
     
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  4. JayB

    JayB Never Forget 31

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    well, usually "regular" people have a lot more leeway with their prospective employer before being let go for ineptitude. it's usually not something that happens after just a couple of years. also i have heard of employers finding alternate employment for employees they wanted ousted immediately. if they can find you somewhere else to work while making it look like they actually care about said employee... well, don't you think that is better for the employers image? :)
     
  5. Bayou Bengal11

    Bayou Bengal11 ~Orlando Tiger Coonass~

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    the main factor with Tolbert not being named WR coach so quickly is that he needs to finish this year to get his pension.

    fwiw...I dont think the Tolbert deal is totally out of the picture. it just cant happen until sometime in late January. Tolbert definitely wont be in Buffalo next season...just not sure if LSU can wait that long.
     
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  6. JayB

    JayB Never Forget 31

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    well for what position? hasn't gonzales been named WR coach? surely you wouldn't hire either of them to be a OC.
     
  7. Bayou Bengal11

    Bayou Bengal11 ~Orlando Tiger Coonass~

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    from what I understand...his title will be passing coordinator. personally, I think he has been promised the OC position if things dont turn around next year. i havent heard WR coach but i could be mistaken
     
  8. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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  9. TigerBacker70

    TigerBacker70 I'm the Cock of the Walk!

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    I've been in management and an owner of several successful businesses. Maybe I'm just not as easygoing a boss as where you've worked. I've been called an a-hole before (more than once) but I've never failed to get results. I didn't fail my employees as a boss and I didn't accept them failing me as an employee, it goes both ways. When I've fired people it wasn't personal, it was because they were not performing to agreed upon standards of competence. If they'd cared more about their job performance or been better at it, they wouldn't have found themselves in the position of having an difficult conversation about their termination. Maybe I miscalculated their level of talent and that was my fault, but that doesn't mean I'm going to carry their dead weight until they get a pension. I would be bankrupt right now if I'd accepted inept performance for a couple of months, let alone a couple of years. I certainly wouldn't send my problem employees to work for someone else with a recommendation. What would have been bad for my image was to have a colleague call me and say "Hey, that guy you sent me is an incompetent moron. Thanks a lot!"

    Maybe I'm just a hard ass. That's probably it. You're probably right. Maybe our offense wasn't as bad this season as I think it was. Let them all stay until they decide to leave for better offers, the program will be fine. :wink:

    :geaux:
     
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  10. bhelmLSU

    bhelmLSU Founding Member Staff Member

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    Nope, Gonzales will be WR coach and passing game coordinator which is just a better title for WR coach.

    He will help the OC draw up the passing game plan.
     

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