Troops on the Border!!

When you go through the airport in El Paso everything is written big in Spanish. Hwy signs are too. Schools are taught in Spanish in many places in the southwest. You don't see any other languages but English in other parts of the country. English is our language and it should be used exclusively.

 

Just face it, illegals are the backbone of American industry and business. With out them, we couldn't afford to eat........

 

MLUTiger, you are trying to sell the fact that illegals are in fact good to the economy and with that, losing them would hurt the American people.

Do you really believe this mess?

This contradicts everything you stated in this thread....It's not a book, so I hope you can muster the strength to read it...

The Economic Contribution of Illegal Immigration « A Free Voice

 

You're right, PCA has been violated a number of times (and probably significantly more when Americans westwardly expanding), but no one has ever been convicted of violating PCA. Most of the violations occur in the funding realm. PCA as it exists today has nothing to do with the original intent of the act.

PCA doesn't prevent the use of active military in LE; it restricts what the active military can do. But this is where the law is in the gray area and no one seems to know how to rectify. The Insurrection Act gives the president the authority to use the military in a law enforcement role, and is a means to bypass the PCA. It has been invoked on numerous occassions, but in all cases, active military forces are always in support of civil authorities. (Martial law has never been declared).

Title 10 forces are not allowed to interdict, conduct search or seizure, arrest, apprehend, stop and frisk, or conduct sruveillance or pusuit of individuals, etc. However, they can support civilian agencies with this activity under the Military Purpose Doctrine. Commanders also have emergency authority under extremely unusual circumstances. And there are a whole littany of civil disturbance statutes in which the president does not need authority from Congress.

Now, the argument for troops on the border is whether or not it's a matter of national defense. The courts have taken the view that border activity is a civil matter and should be left to civilian LE agencies. That could very quickly change if a terrorist incident occurs and it's proven the perpetrators traversed the border illegally. In that case, it can very easily become a matter of national defense and the president can direct however he wants.

There is strong sentiment for PCA from liberals and conservatives, and rightly so. But most people just claim PCA without ever reading the statute, or lack an understanding of military support to civil authority.

 

Yeah... I addressed this earlier. Giving the legal status entitles them to the full array of social services and would cost this country even more money.

(BTW, I do love how you have chosen to divert attention from your rage of brown people crossing the border into a simple paperwork issue.)

Let them write their names on a piece of paper and give someone $500 for the right to cross over. It changes nothing except now they earn more money (minimum wage versus much less, sometimes nothing) while costing the taxpayers more money (on foodstamps, subsidized housing, etc.) now that their legal citizens. This is the argument that you're making now. Do you understand that? Please tell me what logical reason that you have for making that argument.

Of course he contradicts what I said. It's because he's full of ****. Anyone who thinks the removal of over 12 million manual laborers from this economy wouldn't have a significant financial impact is simply unable to rub two brain cells together long enough to make them spark the central nervous system.

The entire perspective for my position on immigration is that these are people trying to improve their lives and the lives of their family. Taxes, social services, the occasional criminal act, etc. it's all just bull****. Far be it from me to stand in their way to stop them from doing a job that I don't want to do. Should I be placed in their unfortunate position one day, I would do the same if it came to that. When it comes to providing for my family, I have no pride and no shame. I will do whatever it takes to take care of them, even if it means sneaking into another country and sending back money when I can. Screw you or anyone who stands in my way.

Only a piece of **** could look someone in the eye and deny them that opportunity.

This country has so many other problems that denying these people the ability to work simply wouldn't fix, but probably make worse. Middle Class income has flattened since the early 80's, the uber-wealthy are taxed less than ever, corporations are more unethical and face no consequences, our infrastructure is starting to decay, political leaders avoid real issues with hot button topics like these to turn our attention away from the real issues that would make an actual impact for our future and you want to find a way to increase the cost of living, eliminate a tax base whose contributions at the worst offset any social programs they benefit from and ostracize an entire race of people from what was once known as a land of opportunity?

It's the 4th of July. Do you even know what it is to be American? You participation in this thread speaks far more loudly than your reply.

 

Yea, excuse me and the rest of America for wanting these people to comply with he same laws are ALL must live under. But it's OK right? Because they are poor and all, I mean, when they get here and steal Social Security numbers, murder, sell drugs and an entire array of other chit, it's OK because they had a hard life? Or it's because they are brown....

Yea, nice change of pace to race......

Get out of here with that chit. The jobs they do could be done by people in jail, people in government hosing programs and the LONG list of other people here in American sucking the rest of us dry.

Don't you realize they already get the Social funding for all the chit you mentioned already? You get that right?


I serve my country every day so take your un-American chit and shove it...

 

I'll drive one of the buses for free if that will help with expenses. However if you cut off the jobs and free government checks to illegals they will find their own way home and it wont cost the government one single penny.