Troops on the Border!!

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  1. Rwilliams

    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    Another thing , follow me on this one.
    Does south Korea have an immigration problem with tens of millions of north Korean illegals flooding across the border ? How does the countries of north and south Korea protect their borders? If there was a real commitment and political will to secure our border then the flood of mexicans would stop.
     
  2. alfredeneuman

    alfredeneuman Founding Member

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    Common misconception about PCA. The active military has been used in law enforcement roles more than 50 times since it was enacted in 1878. Active military can be used in law enforcement roles at the direction of the president.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You couldn't be more wrong. Have you ever spent time in Texas or New Mexico, Arizona or Southern California? If you did you would see just how far Mexicans have assimilated beyond the lame stereotype you offer. Most of them do speak English and most of them work for a living and work hard. They have no wish to turn America into Mexico, they came here to get away from Mexico.

    Yes they are proud of their heritage, ain't you? Celebrating Cinco de Mayo is like celebrating St. Patricks Day. It's a heritage thing, not an attempt to "reconquer the American southwest". Hell, half of the border patrol is Hispanic and they do a good job.

    Many of these hispanic families were living in "The American Southwest" for a couple of hundred years before the Americans came. It used to be "Northern Mexico" before we took it away from them in a war.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    North and South Korea are at war. The DMZ is to keep armies from coming across, not immigrants.
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, the PCA has been violated several times, but the act reads:

    . . . Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress . . .

    So sure, exceptions have always been a part of it, but only by an act of Congress, not the President, . . . according to the law. It is the legal way to prevent the U.S. armed forces from directing their efforts against U.S. dissident groups. Public sentiment in favor of the Posse Comitatus Act is so strong that a 2006 law permitting an exception to the Act in cases of public disasters (in response to Hurricane Katrina) was repealed a year later.

    Now, Dubya sent troops to the border in 2006 but only to back up the border patrol and local law enforcement, not to supplant them or to take on law-enforcement duties. A President would have to declare martial law or invoke the Insurrection Act to order troops to perform law enforcement and this has been done a few times. Posse Comitatus does not apply to National Guard troops, but National Guard regulations prevent them from being used in law enforcement, other than to support police.
     
  6. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    1) I highly doubt that you even understand what you just posted. You probably bookmarked that picture after browsing Wikipedia for information on economics because you're too intellectually lazy to read a real book.

    2) That's not the way it really works in the real world. On paper, that's great.

    Let's go ahead and go with what you propose, though. Let's convert those jobs into higher paying American jobs. Then you'll be on this forum bitching about how that bag of oranges cost $20 and that IF you can get Americans to pick fruit and mow lawns for their income. We're a nation of microwaves, PCs in every house, smartphones, etc. We're not suddenly going back to our roots in the Great Depression Era where men will do anything to put food on the table. People are still going to wait out the recession and job drought. All you've done is reduce the amount of fruits and vegetables that are available to consume.

    You simply don't think. You just parrot what you hear because it sounds good in the reality that you've created between your ears. Short of building a wall that would completely block off the Mongol hordes along the southern border, nothing is going to change in regards to immigration policy. American businesses don't want it and American businesses dictate policy in the country.
     
  7. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    Ah, so we don't celebrate our ancestry now? So we should stop the Irish parades that celebrate Irish heritage because e're Americans first? Do we pas legislation to close down all non-American style eating establishments? Are we to consume hamburgers and apple pies for the rest of our lives?

    You worry so much about a tiny percentage of the population of this country, completely ignoring the ever growing lower class of American citizens. You get rid of every illegal immigrant on American soil, these problems still exist. You just have less brown people who speak spanish. That's it.

    As for the language thing, you couldn't be more wrong. Having moved to SoFla recently, I was amazed at the number of "Learn English" schools I see around here. While I do find a ridiculously high number of Spanish-speaking people here (as well as Creole, French, etc.), they have no issue with switching over to English when they see my Espanol is ****.

    The largest problem are the *******s who forget how this country was founded: by illegal immigrants.
     
  8. MLUTiger

    MLUTiger Secular Humanist

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    So the answer is to get Mexico to torture and kill anyone who attempts to cross into the US? Are we just going to ignore human rights now? South Korea doesn't have an issue with Koreans sneaking into their country for refuge. In fact, they're thrilled when their countrymen can escape the wasteland that is DPRK.

    Obviously there is no real commitment or political will to secure the border. There is also no real commitment or political will to overturn Roe v. Wade, no real commitment or political will to eliminate the possibility of same sex marriages or whatever ridiculous ideas that pass for political platform these days.
     
  9. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    Ah, resorting to intellectual attacks huh?

    Do you seem to think that that simple chart, which is true, would mean that somehow these jobs would raise what, 15 dollars an hour or some chit? No, though in most cases, it could rise to at least minimum wage or maybe a little higher. There is right ways to do this and incentives can be made to hire these illegals on some type of system that benefits both parties.

    Though I guess you don’t even get the idea of what is behind all of this. If these “illegals” are so important to the American business model as you say, why not create reform the right way? I mean, what is the purpose of laws? Just for show? Cherry pick who gets to follow along?

    You simply don’t think. You just parrot what you hear because it sounds good in the reality that you’ve created between your ears.:insane:

    See what I did there!
     
  10. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    The founding fathers where illegal? :wave:
     

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