Troops in Syria

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  1. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Not going to happen right Barackmehd?

    Where is the outcry from his cheering section?
     
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  2. LSUTiga

    LSUTiga TF Pubic Relations

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    He's been wrong on so many things that it's no longer even fun. Either would fit here but just to be clear, I'm talking about Osama, not red.
     
  3. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    That's how US involvement in Vietnam started, with a few military advisors and Special Forces
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    What outcry? America has been handling this very prudently. Our enemies have been fighting each other and we have been letting it happen while we strengthen our allies the Kurds and our wards the Iraqis and get them trained up. We had plenty of time to let the rags fight it out and we could deal with whoever is left standing on our terms, with trained and supported allied forces on the ground. We have learned from Afghanistan and Iraq that order and democracy cannot be imposed. The people have to want it bad enough to fight for it themselves.

    We have to see that the Kurd and Iraqis get their land back from ISIS. We don't have a dog in the Syria fight, at least we didn't because the Syrian government, ISIS, Hezbollah, and all 1,000 rebel groups all hate the US, all hate each other, and want to rule it all. But the refugee crisis is getting the fucking Euros off their velvet asses and concerned. And the impending end of Assad got the Russians worried about losing their only ally and only foreign base. So they decided to get involved have influences on whoever the new strongman is. Iran is doing the same because they must protect Hezbollah. That changed the stew a bit.

    Now we have to get more involved, not because we have any vital interests in Syria at all, but because we are the Superpower and Europe and Gulf Sheiks can do nothing without us and neither can the Kurds and Iraqis. The CIA and Pentagon have both reevaluated to situation and made these recommendations. We never armed the Syrian rebels because half of them are jihadists unaffiliated with ISIS, but jihadists nevertheless. Most of the rest of them are ineffective or pay off stronger war lords including ISIS. We tried to train Syrian rebels interested in democracy, but it didn't work. They didn't really want to fight, they just wanted out of Syria.

    Don't fool yourself, we have been involved covertly in Syria all along, most the CIA who are on the ground now with Syrian rebels who are willing to fight ISIS and training and arming them. The SOF have been making hit and run raids on prisons several times that we know about already. The next step is the Pentagon getting involved in operations to enable the Kurds and Iraqis to go offensive. It could happen with the Syrian rebels, too if they can link up a logistical corridor. It's not ground troops, but Special Operations Forces, doing targeting, intelligence, operational planning, and logistics in addition to training and equipping. They bring in the drones and airstrikes and insure that the Kurds and Iraqis can hold territory.

    The favored Syrian rebels will not get that level of support but the CIA is embedded with them, so they are already getting a lot of help. We are doing this because we must fuck with the Russians and not let them get comfortable. They don't have a big force there and can't afford a quagmire. So we will insure a quagmire for the Russians. We also want to influence who the next Syrian strongman isn't.
     
  5. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    FIFY
     
  6. el005639

    el005639 Founding Member

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    Putting our Joes in hands way in syria is not the answer. If we want to annihilate isis let's carpet bomb them with b52s. and please don't bring up Saigon. Im talking like Dresden and Tokyo civilians be damned.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Quite impossible. They are guerrillas! ISIS not a target for carpet bombing. Saigon was never carpet bombed by the way, Hanoi was. And most of the carpet bombing in Vietnam was on guerrillas in the jungles and mountains and it was ineffective. They hated it but it didn't wipe them out.

    ISIS has no war industries to destroy like German and Japan. To use airpower effectively against guerrillas requires forward observers that can be trusted for targeting information. These SOF soldiers live for this dangerous work. They like being in harms way. But we can only be enablers. Outsiders cannot win a civil war. The Kurds must retake Kurdistan and they mostly have. The Iraqis must retake Iraq and they have regained much already, ISIS has lost a third of its former territory. And the Syrians are going to have to retake Syria.

    Its a multi-way civil war and we do need to stay out of it. But we will back the Syrians that are fighting ISIS just like we back the Kurds and the Iraqis. The ones that are willing to fight are the ones that will end up in charge of the place. Russia is still picking Assad. Iran is picking Hezbollah, and we are picking anti-Assad rebels that are fighting ISIS as well. Iran is militarily incompetent, Russia is cheap, and we have learned to be patient.
     
  8. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Hell of a justification @red55. Total bullshit but impressive. I bet if Obama joined the tea party you'd explain how great a move it was and how brilliant he was. :rolleyes:
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    If it is bullshit, then tell us how it is bullshit or STFU.

    I bet you don't understand the situation in Syria very well. Whenever you have exhausted your logic you try to make it about me.
     
  10. COTiger

    COTiger 2010 Bowl Pick 'Em Champ

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    Same song, 1,781st verse.
     
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