This one is long, so skip it if you want... I have seen a lot mix and match here but it's irrelevant. The issue is which teams, wins, losses have more impact in a given year. And I don't suggest you not play Notre Dame. I suggest you receive no credit for beating a dismal team. And LSU is undefeated against the PAC 10 in the same time period, but all of our victories are quickly discounted because the teams were weak that year, played poorly or just were not that good when we played them. The knife cuts both ways. The Auburn team that went undefeated is as different from the team you beat as our '07 and '08 teams will be. And the year after that. And so on. Impressive victory, but they should not be tarred the next year because you beat them. If Ohio St beats you this year, will getting thumped by Florida and us keep them out of the NCG? Some would like it, but it won't. Ohio St will get the benefit of the doubt. That is an impressive victory over Auburn but only USC and Auburn talk about it today. People around the nation will talk about the Michigan loss to App St and the USC loss to Stanford for years to come. I can feel you. Most of our close victories and losses can be attributed to mental breakdowns on the part of one player or another, but nobody but LSU fans get away with saying it. Everyone else attributes it to Miles being a moron, or their teams were really that good. Again, the knife cuts both ways and in the end Stanford will chalk it up as a W. They didn't get a ruling from a court, they did it on the field and most everyone will remember it. Michigan will hear about App St forever. Perhaps, but not that day. Which again cuts both ways. Much more notoriety for your players both there and nation wide. It all balances out. Not sure about that. Every time Rp took the field in a televised game, the announcers went into detail about him committing to TX then us, his off field troubles, his suspensions, etc. It was like clockwork. Every single game. I have never heard a game announcer refer to Sanchez and his rape charge. Any time you cannot confront your accuser is bad, but rape is a special case and the laws exists to protect victims. Considering how many rapes go unreported because of fear of reprisal in public, I think it is a law that we should have. Many have made the same case for RP here at LSU. I don't really care. If you step out of line, you should be punished. If it turns out Sanchez is innocent, then that is a product of a lying female, not your market. Unfortunate and damaging, but these are the times that high profile athletes live in. Great reward equals great risk. Sanchez will survive it. I know that it is a current story that a lot of people are interested in because of the high profile of your program. You get preseason #1 every year for a decade and people will be interested in you. Authors are supposed to pimp their books however they can. Do actors like going on Letterman because they love telling bad jokes or are they pimping a product? You guys are on the verge of having what is already acknowledged as the #1 recruiting class this year. If that's the effect of a double edge sword, you can cut me any time you want.
I figured it was something like that, just couldn't resist taking a shot at the Pac 10.:hihi: Other than water cooler talk, that 4-0 is completely irrelevant now. Just like our 4-0 against the Pac 10 during the same time frame. The voters should NEVER consider what happened in years past to make their vote. Losing to Stanford at home IS bigger than shutting out a 5 loss Auburn team. It's also bigger than hanging 70 on a 4-7 Arky team. I know it's not USC's fault that these teams had bad years when y'all played them, but it still happened. Fresno takes y'all to the wire one year, and the very next, we're ridiculed for having an 0-9 Fresno team play in our building.
Didn't ask for it. Ditto. So if I compare an opponent that USC AND LSU played in the same year and looked at the results what would I get back? McFadden was injured. Of course he wasn't on the D side of the ball but........ If aOSU wins, I believe they will run the table and go to the NCG. Look at their schedule. True enough. Ah, but they didn't. That loss no matter how furd looks at it, will always be at the feet of PC and even he has said as much. Sort of like the timeout Urban called before that one field goal. That's probably because you have the volume off when Pussberger is annoucing. He discussed it during this year's Rose Bowl. Not disagreeing with the law but Mark was tried in the court of public opinion and most don't even bother to find out the outcome. In fact, he was never charged and the woman claimed sexual assault. It is the public that placed the "rape" charge on him. Come back and talk to me about that after his USC career is over. I might have some insight. Way too early to get into that discussion and the talent among the top 5 or 10 schools is so close there's little difference. It's just one more thing to deal with in talking to a recruit.
Sure you did. Nebraska was #14 when you played them away right? It's your away schedule vs teams like Notre Dame and Nebraska that you tout as being more impressive than your home loss to Stanford. In fact last year,they are not. The '04 Auburn team will have beaten more ranked teams than OSU will face next year. Actually they did. Kentucky and Arkansas beat us, we didn't "give it to them". There is a team on the other side of the ball and you don't play in a vacuum. It doesn't matter if your whole team woke up with the clap on game day. Stanford won. Claiming anything else is not factual. You are smart enough to abandon this claim. You are right, I didn't hear it, and that's bad, but still does not equate with each game RP played in, and some he didn't even travel for(see bama). Quite a bit of negativity for a lil ol place like Baton Rouge. How about that?! RP was not charged either yet he was never called anything better than a thug by all our rivals. It happens.
No I didn't. I said that I hadn't asked for credit in beating ND and I haven't. Where did I tout ND and Nebraska as being more impressive? I had the pride to come on this board after I got home from the Stanford game and own that loss. Of course they have the W. But you are also smart enough to know that a contest can be seen as having been won or the other side doing more losing. It's casual football conversation but I know you understand what I was getting at. A pissing match over RP and MS goes nowhere. However if you were to be falsely accused and everyone in your hometown knew about it, is it worse to be accused of thuggery or rape? Crimes with specific victims tend to be worse for the image IMO.
Originally Posted by Nutriaitch I really wish everyone (including our fans) would quit using "at the time we played" I was at quite a disadvantage, at the time the season started Auburn was ranked so far behind USC and OU that we couldn't overcome the bias. If USC can claim a wire to wire they played the at the time the game was played card the whole season.
Well I would say pointing out that Nebraska was ranked #14 would be looking for credit. Even if you did it in a backhanded way by attributing it to another poster. Whatever. USC gets beat up by rival fans because their conference is weak, and in comparison to it's top team, it is. Otherwise, other Pac 10 teams would finish in the BCS. This is why you guys scream about your OOC scheduling - because you need it. The SEC has had a diversity of teams that have stepped forward over the last decade. This year it could be Georgia. The reality is, that shows more depth from year to year. That's why we scream about our conference and not about OOC. We want credit for the tough teams we play in conference and PAC 10 teams don't want to give it. Even though many of those teams are ranked higher most years than anyone you play OOC. Your focus remains on OOC for your strength. Last year, Nebraska and Notre Dame were not much help. It just works that way depending on who is down year to year, but the PAC 10 fails to produce a legitimate team to threaten you every year. Nobody in the SEC seems able to pile up consecutive championships, much less the # you guys have. As to a discussion about if your team/coach gave a game away, nobody really cares except the respective fans of that team. Bama will not give us credit for winning last year, instead they will give saint nick all the credit for out coaching Miles. They really don't care about how many penalties we had, or how poor some of our players performed. They still take credit for the close game because of their efforts. And rival fans nationwide don't care. They see that bama played us closely, and Auburn, and Florida, and we barely beat Tennessee. Crying about Pete is something for your own fans. Everyone else just sees that Stanford beat you.
let me calrify. what I mean is that your opponents ranking at the time of the game is not relevant at the end of the year. In '03, USC doesn't get credit for beating #5 (or wherever y'all were) Auburn. They get credit for beating you where y'all finished (23-ish). If not, then USC gets credit for beating #6 and we get what #13 or so when we played that year. The system would never work that way.
Voters, however, have short memories and seldom wade through all the combinations of w\l for each top 20 team. We have seen numerous times where coaches or their assistants just throw a ballot together. The computer rankings help balance this out, but when you win against a highly ranked team a perception of your team is formed among the human voters. If you are already ranked highly or if you win a few early and you move up, it is a lot easier to become entrenched at a high spot. Till you lose there isn't motivation for humans to lower your standing. The rankings when you win matter.
