This kind of thinking is becoming the norm

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Sure, it says that your notion only holds true when you cherry pick a time frame.

    Food prices have not remained stable and they will continue to be bad news as arable land declines. Oil prices have not remained stable. Labor prices have not remained stable. Insurance prices have not remained stable. Other than the five cherry-picked minerals of the bet between Simon and Ehrlich, prices have not remained stable and they do not remain stable for long periods either.

    I realize that you are uncomfortable with your lame position, but I am not intimidated. You got nuthin' and it shows.
     
  2. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    surely you can't believe this.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    humans are very resilient and resourceful.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    again, commodities are not more expensive now than they have been in the past. that isnt cherry picking. the average cost of these things has no risen, it has in fact declined. you can find time periods where this is not true, but over the long term, it simply isnt true that these things become more scarce or costly. the brass or copper or zinc or bauxite or whatever you need is not more rare or more expensive that it was in the past. there is no evidence that we are "running out" of raw materials or resources. the prices of the basic necessities have been going down basically forever. that is why you spend a far smaller percentage of your income on them than your parents did. food for instance is a far smaller fraction of our expenses than it was for previous generations. this is because scarcity is a myth. scarcity is created by overly powerful central government and corruption that it those government inherently creates. corruption, like the overwhelming and devastating corruption that would necessarily happen if we had cap and trade.

    correct, they have declined precipitously. food prices are not even a significant expense in your and my budgets, unless we insist on eating every meal out and even then the price isnt the food it is the service and the rent for the restaurant and all that. food itself is an insignificant cost compared to something like medical care.


    well that is lovely. what you dont seem to realize is that extremism is bad. the key is moderation. you dont want a massive and extreme cap and trade program that destroys economic progress. the solution is balance, amigo. balance between rampant and predatory capitalism and enviro-communism. try to think about balance, try to realize that a wise man measures an issue from both sides and doesnt blindly favor an extreme policy like cap and trade.
     
  5. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    In other words, a virus.
     
  6. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    that is such a stupid analogy. viruses have an actual living host, the earth is not a living being that can be damaged!
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Many of them have not. The rise of China and India in pollution and economy have created a paradigm shift.
    Time to wake up: Days of abundant resources and falling prices are over forever
    The coming commodity price nightmare

    All of these resources are finite. Take copper . . .

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    Vital resources like rare earths are just getting rarer.

    Supply and demand are universal constants. Fact: demand is up and resources are finite, therefore prices go up.

    No they fluctuate precipitously. There is an overall global food shortage.

    Global Food Crisis: The new world of soaring food prices.


    Food Crisis

    Cap and Trade is balancing solution, how many time do i have to explain it to you? If you refuse to pay attention, I'm not wasting more time trying to explain.
     
  8. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    It's a host though.
     
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    again, food prices are not up because of lack of supply. food prices go up because of the kind of stupid politics that red favors.
     
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    its a very stupid analogy. is a mountain a "host" for the virus mountain goat? is a fishbowl the host for the virus fish?

    if the host is an lifeless inanimate object, the "virus" cannot have a deleterious effect on it, so the analogy is pointless.
     

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