They really think we are that stupid

and just so we are clear, you also believe that wtc 1 and two were broght down by explosives as well, or did the conspirators just hope the planes and fire would be enough? because of course if they towers had not fallen, there would be no damage to 7 and it would be too obvious when you demolish it.

1 and 2? demolished?

 

Think of the idea this way.

Say there was a basketball ref that knew a doctor. The doctor calls the ref who is calling a game that weekend. The doctor says he heard from another doctor "in the know" that the star player of one of the teams is actually playing with an injury that almost is certain to keep him from playing the whole game.

The ref decides with the doc to put a wager on the game, based on this info. Obviously, the wager would be put by someone difficult to associate with the ref/doc.

The game takes place and the ref calls the game correctly but the player doesn't go down. The ref starts to get worried and makes a call or two to influence the game. Then the player does go down with a couple of minutes to play, but the game still in question.

Rookie player replaces the star but suprisingly doesn't choke and acutally plays well and has a shot to win the game, gets a border line foul which the ref doesn't call but star player would have certainly gotten the benefit of the doubt based on his respect, etc. (Point being the ref is able to hide his corruption behind a valid excuse....that rookies don't get the calls that veterans do)

This is the basic idea. The ref didn't plan on corruption, just taking advantage of his insider info. In the end, he is forced to compromise his integrity based on his investment in the outcome. And the public certainly would not find out.

I know its a stretch and I don't really expect anybody to be convinced by this example but it captures the essence of what I'm suggesting.

 

a valid question....maybe they did, who can know for sure. I can't say I'm privy to anymore expertise on this than anyone else. Like I said earlier, I don't know jack about building engineering. Maybe they thought it would come down based on the planes impact, etc.

Hard to say. I prefer to just rest on the proposition that the official story is terribly flawed. They are hiding something.

 

dont sell yourself short, you know plenty about engineering. in fact you know so much about it that you can oppose all the evidence and claim that building 7 could never have just burned down. you have said repeatedly that you are certain. so lets not pretend you are not some sort of expert. you in fact know more than the experts and their claims. you are so smart in fact that when a sane materials scientist tells you about how steel weakens from heat, you know better and claim it doesnt. you are like the smartest building engineer around! or else you are just talking out your ass and we know that cannot be possible.

 

You do realize that there would be forensic evidence of the planted explosives left behind?

And, as martin said, what about towers 1 & 2? Were they so aware of what was to come that they knew which floors would be impacted, at what angle and, how much fuel would be available so that they could calculate with certainty that the towers would collapse? Are you daft, man??

 

martin:

I've never claimed to know jack about engineering. I couldn't pass the entrance exam to the most desperate engineering school in country. That's why I rely on other people's expertise and refer to other sources on the subject.

I don't know jack about football, either. I couldn't organize a football practice much less coach a game but I could recognize bad coaching by the LSU staff two years ago on the defensive side. I think most of us could. Like someone said back then, "I don't have to be a chef to know there is a turd in my soup".

SabanFan:

I don't even think that is the weakest part of my argument. It is certainly possible to plant explosives in a building. Black Ops do take place and maybe they did do that.

I think the weakest part of my argument is if it was a missle that hit the pentagon then what the hell happened to that flight? It seems much more difficult to make a flight disappear than to demolition a building. If you are going to try to paint me as a wacko, if I were you I would hang my hat on that one. That seems like a more difficult operation.

But hey, just a theory and certainly don't expect you to change you mind suddenly based on what I say.

False Flag operations do take place though. Even wikipedia lists several examples of actual false flags that are known to have taken place:

False flag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

again, you have repeatedly claimed to know for certain that skyscrapers simply do not burn up and fall down. this is not true and you are not qualified to overrule the actual experts and their thousands of pages of research because you have a computer and are smart enough to navigate to lunatic sites.

without a better theory than the official one, you have nothing. and it should be noted once again that the official story is not flawed, not even slightly.

al the blasting caps and detonating cord and timing devices and explosive material was concealed by the volunteers, the firemen and cops and emergency workers at the scene. they thought it would be an injustice to their hundreds of dead brothers, but they ultimately decided they didnt give a damn about anything.

although to be fair to the truther movement, i believe the claim is that a technologically advanced and secret demolition technique was used. it leaves no trace! possibly it was invented by a reptilian alien creature.

 

we had a building burn, pretty much entirely engulfed in flame, for what, 5-7 hours before it came down? so would that have not burned detonating cord so that any explosives rigged through the building could not be set off properly in the fashion needed to bring down the building?