They really think we are that stupid

I don't think Bush and Cheney planned it, it's more along the lines of they missed the warning signs, some insiders tried to make a quick buck if they could (maybe CIA types) and after it happened the government realized they couldn't tell us the truth.

It's more like the TARP and the bankers, if you want to know what I think. Very powerful people and interests present the gov't with a fait accompli and then say, "now that this has happened we have to do so and so, otherwise there will be complete chaos".

Kind of like a "Dr. Strangelove" meets Wall Street CDO crisis. I can't say exactly how they did it, but the official story is crap.

 

Red55:

You are incorrect on this. Drill of the type that took place on 9/11 are extremely expensive and rare.

the link, if interested:
http://physics911.net/pdf/jacobs.pdf

also:

 

Red55:

This is also incorrect.

This is from the Israeli International Counterterrorism Unit. That source is certainly credible, is it not?

 

A weak point to be sure. It does seem odd to me that he wouldn't excuse himself politely and get briefed on what had taken place. It's not like it was live tv or something.

But no, panic is not the point. Just seems like an odd reaction.

 

Some of the points are weak, I admit. There is a lot of info on the internet and even I don't believe it all or don't think you can prove much of it. The point was only that with all the things that allegedly happened it seems an odd coincidence.

These are facts, however and you cannot escape them.

-Building 7 was not in the 9/11 Commission Report.

-Put Option were placed and not collected.

-Military Drills of that order are not done daily and the fact it happened regarding air defense caused some of the confusion.

tirk:

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Can only speak for me but I can't watch tv anymore, it drives me crazy except sports and politics....leaves a lot of time on one's hands.

 

just so i can fully understand the extent of how terribly stupid your opinions are, can you do me a favor and give me your best guess as to what actually happened? no more "well i cant believe this official story because i read some lies".

what do you think happened?

if you have no answers, then why not, are your answers too absurd? more absurd than the official story? if they are less absurd than the official story, then tell us. if they are more absurd, then why do you not believe the official story.

 

martin:

I was trying to keep the discussion somewhat on a factual level because my opinion is not really something I can prove from the comfort of my living room.

But, as the topic has been heavily discussed and battle fatigue always sets in at some point, I'll go ahead and give you my best guess.

I think the government had various indications something may be coming. I think the higher ups dismissed the reports, probably out of simple incompetence, etc.

I think some elements in the government thought the probability was pretty high and tried to make financial gain out of, probably through private citizens or intermediaries.

The airliners may well have simply been hijacked as the official story goes. The pentagon attack I think was not from the terrorists but another "element" inside the government that would benefit from a protracted conflict with muslim countries. A direct attack on government buildings pretty much insures that conflict will take place.

And, yes I think there was foreknowledge by someone in a position of authority to plant explosives in Bldg 7 to cover up whatever investigative material had been found that was stored there.

In short, I think those in a position to benefit allowed an event to happen that was independently planned by others and then put themselves in position to benefit from the aftermath as well.

Like Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor.....just as an example.

 

hoooo boy! there are a couple of people i would like to see join this ass kickin.

 

Yeah, kind of curious about what coming next myself.

Was fun while it lasted...
opcorn:

 

wow! just wow!

did people "know" this was coming?
ok, i'll buy that as a possibility. unlikely that they knew enough to stop it, but possible.

did people with knowledge attempt to make a financial gain from it?
you're gonna have a tough time convincing me that someone "allowed" thousands of people to die for $250k that went uncollected.

someone in the government attacked the pentagon to help ensure a war?
this makes no sense to me. the globally televised WTC attack ensured a war with someone. the people that had the power/know-how/intelligence to pull this attack of on the same day as the WTC attack would almost assuredly know people inside that building. Possibly lots of people. Also quite likely knew them well and were close to them. Why put close contacts in danger? Can't tip them off either, because they in turn would tip off their friends, etc. etc., next thing you know, the whole building/world knows whats coming.

Explosives in Building 7?
I've already discussed how nearly impossible that would be without LOTS of people noticing something wasn't right.

Roosevelt/Pearl Harbor.
This is not a subject I'm well educated on, and am WAY too young to have been around for it. So I'll leave the incident itself alone. All I can say is that there is a big difference between 1941 and 2001.
In 1941, Govt. could have lots of conversations with whomever they wanted about whatever they wanted outside in Central Park, NY, and half the country would never know it happened. Ever. So I'll accept that it is possible to keep a conspiracy of this magnatude on the down low for generations.
In 2001, thanks to technology, if the President farts, people in Bangladesh can smell it instantly. So it would be really phucking difficult to pull of this attack without serious leaks. Lots of them. Too many people would have to be involved. The more involved, the less likely the secret stays a secret. E-mails, cell conversations, etc. etc. can be easily found by your average hacker anywhere on the planet.