'The Spread' vs 'The Run and Shoot'

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  1. fanatic

    fanatic Habitual Line Stepper

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    What is the difference in the 2, if any? Both focus on spreading out the twodefense and finding the best matchup. The only thing I can think of is 'the spread' is more balanced because of the ability to run. Thoughts?
     
  2. clair

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    spread = 4 WRs with more of an emphasis on zone runs and stuff like that.

    run and shoot = throwing 65 times a game.

    Florida runs the spread, because they have a balanced offense inside of their 4 WR sets.

    Texas Tech is run and shoot.
     
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    Tigerbnd05 National Champs 2003 2007

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    Actually Texas Tech is Spread also as is Michigan, they all just emphasize a different aspect of the offense. Some pass, some run, some are balanced.
    Everyone has a specific route or block or job to do.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_and_shoot

    Run and shoot emphasizes one back, and every receiver is running an option route basically. QB also has to adjust. In other words they can modify in the middle of the play to adjust to what they see the defense doing. Almost like playing backyard football where you tell everyone just to go out and I'll throw to the one open. The offensive line is also has a much simpler blocking scheme as it is almost always some kind of zone blocking. They don't necessarily mess with the formation to create match ups before the snap a whole lot either. But it isn't necessarily pass only. What we have seen of it lately is in June Jone's offense, but if you look at it when it was run effectively in the pros, you will find that they were fairly balanced as well.
    Houston Oilers in the early 90s frequently had a 1000 yard back.

    However, both have the same idea that you want to spread out the defense so you can get your playmakers the ball in space.
     
  4. TigerBait3

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    Spurrier's teams have more of a run and shoot mentality. The QB and WR's have reads that dictate where the ball is going. They basically are running four-five option routes.
     
  5. fanatic

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    I know the run and shoot has been around for a while, but the first time I can remember seeing it was when the Houston Cougars ran it in the Andre Ware days. They were an offensive juggernaut and Ware once threw for an X-box like 700+ yards against somebody. But defense was their downfall. Once they matched up with good running teams like Texas and OU, those types of teams just ran the ball, controlled the clock, and kept Houston's offense off the field. But they were fun to watch when that offense was rolling.
     
  6. houtiger

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    Oilers had Buddy Ryan as DC and Kevin Gilbride as OC, Warren Moon at QB.

    Ryan never liked the run and shoot, called it the "chuck and duck".

    One time, defense made a stop, offense went out and Moon threw an INT on the first play. Ryan was hot, walked by Gilbride and said something about his offense. Gilbride answered, they Buddy jumped on him, fists flying! Only time I ever say the two coordinators have a fight on the sidelines of a game!
     
  7. Tigerbnd05

    Tigerbnd05 National Champs 2003 2007

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    Yeah but that was jack pardee who wanted to run that offense so Gilbride did that. As you can see he has not run the offense as a coordinator or head coach since his days with the Oilers.
     
  8. G-LSU

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    That was a Sunday Night ESPN game aginst the Buffalo Bills....

    My Dad had Season tickets to the Oilers and Cougars from the 70-90's and that was a great time to watch some GREAT offense. Davis Klingler was actually better at reading defenses that andre Ware, but both had 0 success in the NFL... Similar to the Texas Tech QB's Sick numbers but doesn't equate to NFL success.

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  9. HatcherTiger

    HatcherTiger Freedom Isn't Free

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    Talk about a bust as a pro, couldn't make it in the NF or CFL:

    http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/heisman/flops.html

    Apperently neither the spread nor the RNS prepares a QB well for a pro-style offense. Wonder if Tebeaux's game will transfer well to the NFL. Many don't think so.
     
  10. Thorny

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    The Spread essentially takes the option pass routes of the Run and Shoot and adds in the same type of misdirection in the running game. The QB in the spread has to be a threat to run, otherwise the DE commits to the RB. The QB reads the DE and then chooses which way the ball goes. Think Run and Shoot meets the Wishbone (or maybe the USAFA Wingbone, since HBs are spread out). Since the QB starts where the FB in the Wishbone does, he makes the read further away from the defense so he never is in danger of getting pummeled. Note that even mediocre spread QBs like Tyler Watts at AMAB under Franchione rarely took a serious hit. That's what makes it so frustrating; you think you can really hit the QB and never do--kind of like watching the stretch hand off Arkansas used all day last year.

    Tebow brings another dimension, where he becomes a serious threat to power run up the middle--kind of like a Wishbone FB. Additionally, he can take a run step, freezing the LBs who have to support the run, but then throw a pass--like play action without a RB. This creates even bigger mismatches down-field, but very few QBs do it. When it is working, the defense can't get to where the ball is--kind of like Saturday night. RP did this in the Va Tech game and nobody was within 20 yards of Early Doucet. If RP was here (and I am glad he isn't), we would be running a very similar offense to Florida.

    With Lee, we play more of a Run and Shoot, since we really don't use the option to set up the run (though I am not sure we use option pass routes, either). However, we do try to balance run/pass from the beginning of the game. Still, Spurrior's offense never thew as much as Houston's, and that had a lot to do with why he won more. Crowton's offenses at La Tech were much more pass oriented, but he has some serious studs at RB here.

    Once Lee becomes consistent with experience, the offense will be able to attack the entire field, keeping defenses honest. Hopefully, it happens before the AMAB game.

    GEAUX TIGERS
     
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