The Occupy Wall Street protests

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by Cajun Sensation, Oct 17, 2011.

  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Let's see . . . Welfare costs 0.07% of the federal budget. Less than 1%. And its not going to people who "don't feel like they need to work". Since the Clinton welfare reforms, only parents (mostly women) of dependent children even qualify for welfare. They can only stay on it for a 60 months in a lifetime. Furthermore they have to participate in job training and actively seek employment. Most of them leave the program because they got a job, not because they hit the time limit.

    There are people out there that don't want to work, but they are mostly homeless people and other bums that do not get federal assistance. They beg and sponge off of charities.

    Doing away with minimum wage doesn't affect welfare recipients, it just makes for more of the working poor. Most people work very hard at minimum wage jobs. Why do you begrudge them that? It's a poverty wage.

    You should try to learn something about welfare before you make false remarks. They have had to seek work for almost 20 years.
     
  2. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    That is bs, 4 trillion over 10 years? You can't hold future Congresses to that.
    It was nothing but a smoke screen. I am smarter than that!
     
  3. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Did your reading comprehension skills leave you when you hopped on the Obama train?

    We can cut defense spending, Interior Dept spending, FAA spending, FBI spending, Veterans spending, etc. That doesn't mean the navy, parks, air traffic controllers and vet hospitals will disappear. A real solution would be to have every single department cut their budget by a pre-determined amount and have a panel of non political people study and determine what programs, waste, etc. can and will be eliminated. Hard decisions must be made. If we lose a base or a ship or a park or a museum or a clinic or whatever, call it collateral damage. Something has to be done and cutting a paltry $120B over 10 years is tantamount to doing absolutely nothing.

    Red, you and others have this attitude that the government is a big ole money tree that will bear fruit year in and year out. Well, the tree is getting root rot and needs treatment immediately.
     
  4. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    there are whole cabinet level depts we can close completely, like agriculture and labor.
     
  5. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    Especially agriculture and labor.
     
  6. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    None of what any of us say here matters. If someone doesn't make some serious changes the market will do it for us. This country is a step closer to Spain, Greece and Italy everyday. People think things are bad now, just way until the well runs completely dry. Pretty much everything Red has argued for and against will be gone. Then these protestors and occupiers will do what they did in Greece.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well it took long enough to get you to offer a friggin' opinion. That would be a start. The problem with across the board cuts is that it weakens every department and the cuts are never substantial. I think cuts have to be more selective and some departments will be difficult to cut . . . the Border Patrol for instance, already undermanned. Others will be easy . . . all subsidies to agriculture and oil production, both of which are highly profitable and need no government help.

    I think some cherished tax deductions have to be on the table, too. When a family of four making $50,000 owes no taxes due to deductions, exemptions, child credits, etc . . . something is wrong. We can't keep cutting all taxes and expecting to get something for nothing. That's where you and the goose-stepping republicans your worship are basically wrong.

    And it will take a serious slashing of the big three . . . Defense, Social Security, and Medicare. I don't see a politician out there that is ready to do this.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The USA is not Greece. Not no way . . . not no how.
     
  9. TBTrumpet

    TBTrumpet Founding Member

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    Ironicly, this is the best outcome that could happen at this point. Congress needs to set more stuff on autopilot and just get out of the way of businesses.
     
  10. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I give my opinions all the time. You just don't like them.


    You cannot cherrypick. All get cut. The degree of cuts would be determined by the nation's needs, e.g. national security.

    Reform of tax system is sorely needed and should be at the top of the list. Tax refunds should become a thing of the past. You owe x, you pay x. End of story. Buh bye IRS.


    And you limp wristed liberals can't inderstand that you cannot spend money that you don't have.

    Start cutting and let the chips fall where they may. Politicians will soon learn that we want and expect a balanced budget with a manageable deficit. We can start by ousting Obama and putting an end to the class warfare he is responsible for fomenting.
     

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