Obama The Iran Deal We Should Have Done

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No, I am logical and I have reasons which I state. You just mock and jeer and offer no substance to back it up.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Not going to address a single point I made, are you?
     
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    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Would probably go good with Iranian caviar
     
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    el005639 Founding Member

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    Re-read my post. I did address the main one. Your biggest point is that the sanctions will snap back when the iranians cheat. all you have is your belief in the people who signed this worthless piece of paper to go on. I can look at the countless times these agreements have been pissed on by the same people who signed them, to know it's a sham.
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Of course it's a sham, and you need only go back to bsrachmed a few years ago stroking the Iranians and telling them openly that he would side with them. Pathetic
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Then you just essentially don't believe in treaties or agreements and have already decided that this is a worthless piece of paper because of your politics. Which are the "countless times" that agreements of this type have been broken?

    You said that sanctions will never happen again. The fact is that the agreement has snapback provisions that automatically happen if Iran breaks the deal. All the major powers have signed on. No one gets the right to veto it.

    If you want to be skeptical, fine. But it does not change the facts.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    What the fuck are you talking about?
     
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    Red as you know I realize this treaty is the best we can get AT THIS TIME. However don't fool yourself or try to fool us that the SnapBack provisions have any substance. The reason is that all the powers were too ready to abandon the sanctions and only see the short term advantage. Only the most egregious violation will have a chance of bringing them back.
    Do you really think the sanctions will go back in place unless the powers WANT them? There is no mutually agreed trip wire and even if there were it will take a positive action by all to make them happen again.
    SnapBack is a fig leaf at best.
     
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