Obama The Iran Deal We Should Have Done

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  1. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    He doesn't have any room for it with the walls covered with Broomhillary posters.
     
  2. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    I don't know about you NC. On one hand you speak of the great leadership of the president. On the other when his leadership is questioned you point out here how little influence he has.
    My friend the president is the leader who points the ship of state in a direction and on the whole it is followed. There is great power in the office and in the person who holds it. That is why electing the right person is so important.
    In every negotiation there are winners and losers. I am concerned that we were backed into a corner by poor leadership and are the loser here. We lost the support of our allies to strike a stronger deal. The Iranians realized that and strung it out till they got the best of the terms. That said in this case a bad deal is better than no deal. The reason is that not ratifying this will isolate the US at a critical time.
    As to your fear that if Iran doesn't comply there will be war. I would propose if they don't that is because they don't fear our or the world's reaction and don't believe we would go to war. The result of poor negotiating. I also fear that whatever happens our allies won't support us.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    In what universe? Success is a variable that must be measured against a known quantity.
     
  4. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Amazing that a brutal thug like Putin cares more about his people than Barackmed cares about ours.
     
  5. el005639

    el005639 Founding Member

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    Of course it does but success is not measured against someone's supposed failures. In my job I am measured against the goals that we set at the beginning of the job, not against another's failure to meet those goals. However that is exactly what you do when you say Obama is great because Bush was inept
     
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  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I have said neither. And you have not offered any standard at all to measure Obama against. What better than his immediate predecessor?
     
  7. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    I seriously doubt that. However, I have never been enamored with Obamas middle east policies and I think he is so afraid of what another war would do to his legacy.
     
  8. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    That he flushed what was left of his down the toilet with a ridiculous deal that no one in this country is in favor of.

    Well, except Red and NC
     
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  9. el005639

    el005639 Founding Member

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    All I said is He should be based upon the merits of his actions not he's good because Bush sucked.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Then why can't someone say that he is better than Bush if he is better than Bush?
     

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