The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly -- Wisconsin game

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  1. ParadiseiNC

    ParadiseiNC don't worry, be happy

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    you mean, in a nutshell, if we don't let our OC do the job he is hired to do?

    too much meddling by CLM, imo, regarding game planning. CCC improved our offense by leaps and bounds last year, and CLM seemed to be more hands off as the season progressed w/the experienced QB. CCC also seemingly convinced Miles to hire a new O-line coach, so those are all plusses. This year, if game one is a telling indication, he seems to be handcuffing CCC right away. Maybe I'm wrong, and AJs limitations are what limited the play calling, but the offensive play calling sure looked a lot of what we have seen 8 of the 10 years CLM has been here, imo.
     
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  2. ThePhenom74

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    The Good- LSU showed a ton of heart and conviction to stick with it and make a great comeback. LSU is always a team that seems to have a ton of resolve. Once again, LSU has an excellent secondary. They blanketed the UW receivers. Dural had his coming out party. He is a big play WR. Quinn looks like the real deal. He was open a lot.

    The Bad- The horrilbe OL and DL play. Both lines were owned by the UW OL and DL through most of the game. Once the team woke up they did well, but that was unacceptable. The OL made no holes for the RB's. The DL was blasted back and the LB's were not covering the gaps. Once again, some poor tackling. Anthony Jennings showed some real good flashes however he was all too often rushing things. He missed a lot of open receivers. Harris should have been given more time.

    The Ugly- LSU was ill prepared for this game. LSU was flat, with no focus until mid way through the third quarter. The UW were a few steps ahead of LSU in adjustments. The play calling was uber conservative and predicatble. I know AJ was off but when LSU was aggressive the UW DB's had trouble staying with LSU receivers when AJ had time. It took Chavis too long to make adjustments to stop the run. Once again Miles has his clock management issues. How in the hell does a college coach at a major program with title aspirations not have better clock management? A delay of game to start a half is hilarious and just unacceptable.

    All that said, LSU got the W. This is a young team. The coaches will have their hands full. There is a lot of talent, but they need coaching. If the staff gets it together this could be a very dangerous team. UW is a very tough opponent to start with. Great win.
     
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  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Two obviously young an inexperienced quarterbacks means that you won't see the entire playbook in game one. Maybe not even this season. Cameron is going to keep the reads fairly simply until they get comfortable with multiple reads and multiple options.
     
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    That is all true. However you still need the threat of passing on first down. You need the threat of going deep. If not teams will crowd the LOS like UW did and LSU will not be able to run the ball. You still have to coach to win, not coach not to lose. LSU does not have an overly dominant D to rely on and play that conservative.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I have yet to see anyone produce any evidence at all that Les interferes with his Coordinators. Cameron doesn't have to stick around if he isn't able to do his job. Not one coordinator has left LSU in disgust. Head coaches, all head coaches, have a right to set the offensive and defensive strategies that his team will take and they do that. It's what they get the big bucks for. But the coordinators get to call the offense and make the tactical decisions. Everybody noticed the differences between Fisher and Crowton. Everybody noticed the differences between Studrawa and Cameron. Not one of these coordinators has complained about being interfered with by Les. Not one player has commented on Les changing the Coordinators game plan. I'm calling this an internet myth.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Did you happen to notice the long passes in the Wisconsin game? LSU leads the friggin' nation in yards gained per catch! I'd call that a downfield threat, amigo. 9 for 21 passing is not a good stat, but that will improve with young quarterbacks reading the defense better and fewer drops by tight ends, I hope. But when 65% of our yardage was gained via the pass, its hard to suggest that LSU is a one-dimesional running team.

    How exactly did Les "coach to lose"?
     
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    Those stats are misleading. Yes, LSU did very well when passing. Now I admit, AJ held on to the ball when there were open receivers. He also missed on a few passes, plus the big drop by Gordon. That said, most of the game LSU was very conservative with the play calling. We then got in third and long. Which is not ideal with a young QB. LSU did a much better job mid way through the third of opening up the play calling. That is when the comeback happened. It also opened up the run game. I'm just saying we can not fall behind like that against SEC teams because of trying to run into an 8 man front.
     
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  8. StaceyO

    StaceyO Football Turns Me On

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    First of all, we've been a running team in the SEC for years (even when Saban was here...), and we often run into an 8-man front. When we have good line play and RB's, it doesn't even matter.

    Secondly, the stats are not misleading. AJ's percentage was not great, but he is a passing threat.

    And finally, the coaches are going to be conservative until AJ gains more confidence. And that is not a bad thing.
     
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  9. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I thought the gameplan was going to be exactly what we saw. If anyone expects anything different you haven't been paying attention, and in a way the comeback win validates the game plan in Les' mind I bet.
     
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  10. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    then why was he in for the 65yd first play in the 3rd?

    seemed like he platooned all game. the only change was LSU TOP and down and distance for the UW O in the 2hd half
     
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