I just want someone to answer one question. How can people say the rich don't pay their fair share in taxes when about half the population don't pay any income tax at all? I don't include SS or medicaid as income tax because it is not. Those two taxes are money specifically for YOU for when you are at a certain age in your life. I will also say that NO ONE should not pay income tax if they live and benefit from social programs and other services. Everyone should contribute to society in some fashion or another meaning if you are that poor you should help pick up trash or something. I am for a flat tax btw. Income tax is the money you pay to keep the government running including all services and again no one should be exempt.
I agree with you on that one. But i am not for a flat tax. You make more, you should get taxed more. Hell the Obamas were taxed 1.8 million for last year, you don't hear them bitching. Are you rich or something? I never for the life of me could figure out why people who aren't rich support Republicans who's only interest is for the rich and religious.
Under the current system I believe you should be taxed more if you make more as long as EVERYONE contributes to society through taxes or work. I don't know the Obama's personally, I have no ideas about if they bitched about paying taxes or not. I will tell you just because they didn't doesn't mean other rich people on either side of the aisle did or didn't. No, we lost over half of our income from our business. We are struggling right now. Stereotypes don't work. This is like saying Democrats are for black America and Republicans are not while you have former Democrat KKK members in congress, probably from both parties too. The truth of the matter, More blacks vote for Democrats because of politics, the Rainbow coalition and Democrats give them more goodies than Republicans. Democrats are for bigger government and more social programs and the Republicans use to be the exact opposite. IMHO Democrats are for the rich also, Trial lawyers, Warren Buffet, George Soras, Labor Unions and their CEO's of sorts. Don't kid yourself. I consider myself an Independent Tea Party guy, the Republican party left me and no longer stands for a smaller government, etc. The Republicans did lower my taxes over the last eight years and the Dems will increase my taxes, maybe tax on top of tax too over the next few years!
This has been addressed about three times in this thread. Because they make so little money that their standard deduction exceeds their taxes owed. YOU get the same standard deduction, you are just fortunate enough to make a decent salary. You want them to pay taxes, then get rid of deductions for everybody.
Sorry, haven't read the whole thread! I figure I own you an apology also. Sorry I have been an ass toward you btw. I don't know, I'm confused here? No one gets the same standard deduction, some have children and are home owners and some do not. I have no problems getting rid of deductions, I think we should abolish the IRS and have a more simple tax system. I would love to see "good" reform for taxes, politics, health care and education.
The ass comes upon each of us at times. Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. Itemized deductions are all different from the standard deduction. As you say, people with mortgages, children, medical expenses, etc. get to itemize more deductions so that they owe less tax. But single people who are renters and healthy don't meet the minimum to itemize and they must take the standard deduction instead. But anybody can take the standard deduction and nobody must take less than the standard deduction which is $5,700 in 2009. So a hard-working fellow making $10.79 an hour makes $22,450. His standard deduction drops his income below $16,750 putting him the 10% bracket. If he has a wife, three kids and a trailer note, he can itemize and lower his taxable income even more. So he gets a refund on the money that IRS deducted from his salary and can get all of it back if he makes a low wage and has dependents and deductions to use. The exact same deduction allowances that you get and Bill Gates gets.
To the extent that SS is used to pay money to YOU, I agree it is not an income tax, but people die before receiving any benefits or they may die before receiving full benefits. I would also bet that the poor have shorter life expectancies than the middle class and rich, so if you want to make this about YOU, then a significant percentage of these people are contributing. Now if you want to consider SS in terms of the PROGRAM instead of YOU, then that income tax disappears. But then you have to deal with the Trust Fund. To the extent that other taxes aren't raised to pay back the money owed, the Trust Fund is by your definition an income tax paid by all participants of the program. So people are contributing. If you think that once SS payouts consistently exceed pay-ins, that other taxes will be increased instead of either increasing SS taxes or cutting benefits so that the Trust Fund will be repaid, then you have to deal with the fact that there are other federal taxes that people pay. I would say that the number of people who never bought gasoline, cigarettes, or alcohol is extremely small. So practically every one contributes to keep the goverment running. The point is that the number of negative contributors is way less than that stupid 46%, or whatever it is. I think I read that the number of negative contributors is about 10%. I have no idea what the breakdown is, but some percentage of it will be for legitimate cause and some will be gaming the system. Would I like the gamers to be less? Absolutely! But to tar and feather everyone with their actions is disingenuous bull****.
I know democrats like to use the whole minority thing, and really don't give a damn about minorities. And i agree with you, i think democrats do support the lobbyists also, and especially the lawyers. Here is the problem, how do kill both parties? (not the people associated, just the actual parties themselves)
I would argue that this is exactly what you are doing when some don't pay income taxes and others want the rich to pay more. Matter of fact some that don't pay any income tax become less sensitive or caring because they don't pay taxes. I am sure there are a few of them cheering on the slogan that the rich don't pay their fair share and would love to see the rich pay more. At some time the system becomes corrupted and now longer performs the way it was intended to work.
The only way I know outside of possibly a tea party is a third party but that will never happen until we have political reform Otherwise a Revolution? I don't think we can have true reform unless we fix the system first. I bet there isn't one person here who thinks an all partisan reform of health care or any other reform is the BEST we can do for the country. You scared me for a minute because I thought you had become an extremist, alarmist and serial complainer, whiner like myself?:lol: What was that term Red used?:redface: I forgot already!
