The Biden presidency

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  1. Jmg

    Jmg Veteran Member

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    you mean when he opposed germany buying russian oil? when he sent weapons to ukraine so they could kill russians? when he got sanctions on russian oligarchs?
     
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    Your "counterexamples" make no sense. In no way can you sensibly analogize poor people to MLBers making 500k. Furthermore, poverty is a consequence of wealth inequality; so your reasoning is circular on top of that. But poverty is not the only consequence nor issue with wealth inequality. It's also about a concentration of power, replacement of democracy by plutocracy and oligarchy, which keeps them entrenched and keeps you disadvantaged with much less than you might have otherwise, even if you can afford bread and peanut butter.
     
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    of course i can. do you concede that there is wealth inequality in MLB? you must. its a fact. the mets have lindor on a 341 million contract. rookies make 500k.

    now. think about how 341 million is more. "UNEQUAL". 341 million for 10 years. 34 million. rookies make 1/68th of that.

    if i have 68 dollars and you have 1, can you understand that those numbers are not equal, and hences there is some unequal distribution there?

    on now that we have demonstrated our ability to understand that 34 million is not equal to 500 thousand, we can accept that there is income inequality in baseball.

    now, since we know income inequality is bad, right, surely we worry about the guy making 1.68th of the top guy? right?


    NO.


    and we understand the reason we dont worry about the guy making 500k and working under horrifyingly unequal condistions is that 500k is a lot. so the issue isnt so much the inequality, but the actual amount the poorer man has.

    no it isnt. franciscor lindor and jacob degrom are huge stars. they are earning 100s of million because they are the ones bringing in the profits. they are the ones the fans come to see. this pays the bills. pays the salaries of the rookies.


    if jeff bezos and elon musk and warren buffet all moved to baton rouge, it would hugely increase our local wealth inequality. most of the wealth in baton rouge would he held by just 3 men. and this would be the greatest thing that could ever happen to this city. having people much richer than you around is awesome. they pay you to do stuff.

    you have in your head a very simple fallacy. that every dollar earned by one guy is a dollar taken from another guy. its not like that. the rich do not get rich at the expense of the poor. jeff bezos is rich because i buy shit from amazon every week. and i am enriched for having all that shit i bought. it was an exchange for mutual benefit. that he has exchanged with so many people for mutual benefit means he is helping more people than anyone else.

    the left always wants to push class conflict, to justify giving more power to the govt to take from people. to gain more power and control. we must always resist this. power must be as decentralized as possible. power needs to be shared by the feds, the locals, the corporations, the people, the unions, etc. we cant always be sending money to the central authority for redistribution. its very very dangerous to let the central authority control too much, and money is control.
     
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    no. this is what happens when the govt takes the money from the rich. the oligarchs are the govt, and the well connected. we want no central power that is controlling everything. the way to do that is have power distributed away from the govt. becasue only the govt has coercive force. no one else can force you to do shit. so the more power in the hands of the non-govt people, the better. those people do not have an army, or cops. elon musk cannot force you to buy a tesla. he cant force you to do shit. but the govt can and does. and they take your money and if you dont give it up you go to jail. armed men come get you.
     
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    martin up big at the half….
     
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    You're arguing against yourself. The very rich ARE the government. They bought it. They control it. They ARE the central committee.
     
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  7. Jmg

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    nah. bernie sanders and trump disprove this. they are incredibly popular and were until recently, the outsiders. AOC as well. these folks are not named bush or clinton. they are not the establishment. while trump is rich that is not why is popular. and he isnt 10% as rich as bloomberg. bloomberg threw like a billion at the democratic nominee and got zero out of it.

    if you believe what you said that the rich are the govt. why would you want to give them even more money and power and control. higher taxes, more govt money for the oligarchs to dole out in their corporate socialism?

    again, you want a system of checks and balances. like the three branches of govt we have, always in a power struggle, but in a broader sense. you want powerful corporations, powerful states, powerful lobbies, powerful govt entities, all battling it out and creating a power stalemate where nobody really grabs control. decentralized power. thats the key to freedom. and its ruined if we give the govt the keys to everything. that means minimizing ghe size of govt as much as possible. lower taxes, even (especially) on the rich. legalizing drugs, school choice, no new wars.

    biden wants to grow the govt drastically. he wants the power in the hands of the people you say you hate, our oligarch overlords. the kind of people that get rich of corrupt green new deal contracts.

    you say you want to stop income inequality. how, by filtering money through the govt bureaucrats?

    stop worryin about income inequality. inequity is the human condition. i make decent money, i get by. my friends are mostly 2 or 3 times as rich as me. they also work harder, and always have. its the nature of humans. some people wont work as hard, earn as much, care as much. me for instance.

    worry about poverty, never inequality. when there is no poverty, there will still be normal people getting by, and billionaires. thats fine. its the way it should be.
     
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    Dollar to a donut that he won't be impeached, he will get away with it, and we will take one step closer to the liberal distopia that leftists dream of.

    THIS is why I voted for TRUMP!! The Democrats could run Jesus Christ as their candidate, and I would still not vote for him, because Jesus would not be the one in charge.
     
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