The Advocate: LSU to go 9-3, "Bama’s biggest obstacle is Bama"

Are you really telling me that you actually think OU deserved to be in the title game after getting blown out by K State in the Big 12 Championship?

 

That's a real simple argument against them getting a shot in the BCSNC game.

There are other things that weighed into OU getting there that have to be taken into account—because they were.

USC lost to Cal that season who was also blown out by Kansas State. That game had a bearing on the computer polls.

USC played one team with a winning record in the last two months of the regular season. OU played four. There's your strength of schedule component. It comes into play in a greater degree when you consider the Big12 championship game was played in Kansas City.

Adding to that quality wins were a component of the computers at that point. Again, in favor of OU.

Hearing both sides of the argument back then I can understand each one.

 

You're the guy that claimed OU was #1 back then, and that all the USC fans you talked to (the actual #1) had no idea why they'd be named #1, so you obviously have no idea what you're talking about

Interesting note for Saints fans on OU getting blown out 35-7 in that Big 12 Championship:

K State's Darren Sproles had 235 yards rushing (10.7 ypc) plus 88 yards receiving and 1 TD catch in leading 2003 Big 12 Champions K State over the wimpy and vastly overrated OU team led by QB Jason White (not drafted), RB Kejuan Jones (not drafted) and WR Mark Clayton (#5 WR taken in draft)

 

The 2003 NCAA Division I-A football
season ended with an abundance of
controversy, resulting in a split national
championship. This was the first split
title since the inception of the BCS,
something the BCS intended to
eliminate.

USC had lost a triple overtime thriller at
California on September 27, LSU lost at
home to Florida on October 11, and
Oklahoma , which had been #1 in every
BCS rating, AP and Coaches' Poll
of the season, lost to Kansas State in
the Big 12 Championship Game , 35-7
on December 6. Although USC, then
11-1, finished ranked #1 in both the AP
and Coaches' Polls, with LSU (12-1)
ranked #2 and Oklahoma (12-1) #3,
Oklahoma surpassed both USC and
LSU on several BCS computer factors.
Oklahoma's schedule strength was
ranked 11th to LSU's 29th and USC's
37th. Oklahoma's schedule rank was
0.44 to LSU's 1.16 and USC's 1.48. As
such, despite the timing of Oklahoma's
loss affecting the human voters, the
computers kept Oklahoma at #1 in the
BCS poll. LSU was ranked #2 by the
BCS based on its #2 ranking in the AP
Poll, Coaches Poll, 6 of 7 computer
rankings (with the remaining one
ranking them #1), and strength of
schedule calculations. USC's #3 BCS
ranking resulted from it being ranked
#1 the AP and Coaches Poll, but #3 in
5 of 7 computer rankings (with the 2
remaining computer rankings at #1 and
#4) and schedule strength, though
separated by only 0.16 points.
LSU defeated Oklahoma in the 2004
Sugar Bowl, securing the BCS National
Championship, as the ESPN / USA
Today Coaches' Poll is contractually
obligated to vote the winner of the BCS
National Championship Game #1.
Meanwhile, when AP #1 USC beat
Michigan in the 2004 Rose Bowl , the
AP voters kept USC in the top spot,
and USC secured the AP title.
On January 9, 2004, Ted Waitt, CEO of
Gateway Computers offered the NCAA
$31 million for a national championship
game between USC and Louisiana
State. The NCAA did not consider the
offer, leaving the year without an
unarguable national champion.

 

That's kind of weak. Both Ok and USC started the season ranked above AU. That is the reason. AU was NEVER going to pass either one unless they lost.

And damn, I doubt they would have done worse than Ok in that game.

 

It's my belief that is one of the reasons they didn't get more human votes. I know it was the case with some of the voters in both polls because I recall it being mentioned. It certainly hurt their standings in the computers despite the strength the SEC schedule provided.

Now, with OU and USC starting ahead of them and remaining undefeated...that's certainly the largest nail in their coffin.

Done worse than OU against USC? I don't know about that. If you recall, they were shut out by USC the previous year. Then again, that was about the time—maybe the second year—where OU had abandoned what got them to the title game and stopped playing the defensive game Stoops learned during his time at Florida.

Their defense then wasn't as bad as it is now, but you can look at that 2003-2004 era and see the beginning of it starting to surrender more and more points.

 

I'm also the guy that admitted I was wrong when I said OU was listed as #1 because I realized I was looking at the wrong week. Far be it from me to make a mistake and admit such.

Now, like other posts, you are mixing two things together. The conversations with USC fans had to do with the AP title and what relevance it had with the BCS.

Before you step out and accuse one of not having an idea what they are talking about you might want to make sure your footing is actually on something stable.

One HUGE difference between you and I here? I'm not relying on Wikipedia...far from something anyone would consider an accurate reference source. I'm having a conversation based on things I recall, and as stated on more than one occasion, with the caveat if I recall correctly.

Ironically we're back where we've been before—you taking a post and completely changing the subject. I've listed a few of the reasons OU was in the BCSNC game that season.

Tell me. Where am I wrong?

Tell me. Which of those reasons are you basing your assertion that I have no idea what I'm talking about?

 

Lol