The Advocate: LSU to go 9-3, "Bama’s biggest obstacle is Bama"

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Because it is our title. Why would you perpetuate the myth that a team can claim a national championship when they were not even in the championship game? Why does ranking higher in 2 of 11 BCS polls/rankings rate them anything at all if they came up short in the criteria to make it into the championship game? It is WORSE than claiming a "Division Co-Championship"!
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The Coaches and AP polls became irrelevant in choosing a national championship, once the BCS was created and have been ever since. By the BCS ranking criteria, LSU and Oklahoma were the top two teams. Period. There were nine other BCS computer rankings and polls that did not have USC #1. By the criteria that all teams agreed on before the season . . . Southern California was #3.
     
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    That's incorrect.

    The Coaches and the AP poll had OU at #1, USC at #2, LSU at #3. Up through the middle of November Ohio State was holding the #2 spot in the BCS until a late loss.

    At the end of November there were two computers that had USC at #3, one had them at #4. After the SECCG, LSU was at #2 all across the board with one computer poll putting them at #1. USC, on the other hand, was ranked third with a first and fourth place position in two of the computer polls.

    The point differential was so small between LSU and USC in the two human polls that when the computers were added in it left OU at #1, LSU at #2.
     
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    Look it up, USC was #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls. Oklahoma got blown out in the Big 12 Championship game and fell to #3
     
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    I think you're missing my point. They did win the AP title. Which, as you posted in the very next post, was irrelevant when it came to the agreed upon system, the BCS.

    Hence the question I've posed to USC fans. What was the AP title worth? It means nothing in terms of the agreed upon system. But it doesn't change the point they were awarded that title by the AP.

    If the roles were reversed and USC had the BCS title and LSU was awarded the AP I'd still feel the same way. Are you suggesting Louisiana State University wouldn't recognize the Associated Press and their award? Don't take the question as confrontational. Setting your allegiance and this story aside, I'd like to know what you think you would have chosen to do.

    In the end do I feel one carries more weight than the other? Yes. The BCS. Why? Because it was the system USC, the PAC, and the BCS conferences had agreed upon. USC, by actions of the AP, changed the criteria.

    We may end up not seeing eye to eye here. I can't look at a group like the AP and it awarding a title and make a comparison, much less say it's worse, to a school claiming something that wasn't awarded to them and they made up and claim as their own.

    One actually exists. The other doesn't.
     
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    I'll look at the most recent NCAA record book later on, but last one i looked at they listed AP Champs just as prominent as BCS Champs

    It's not like split titles are a rare occurance. Go look how many of those Bama titles were awarded by both polls. Not many. It's not like we have to put an asterisk by our 2003 Championship, and it certainty didn't take any of my enjoyment away when i was in the Dome watching us crush OU
     
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    The coaches poll contactually agreed to name the BCS champion the winner of the coaches poll, which is why the coaches trophy goes to the winner

    The AP Poll didn't get contractually involved with the BCS

    So the AP and Coaches champions went on like they have since like 1950 (about 1936 in the case of the AP), with the only difference being the coaches poll contactually agreed to name the winner of the BCS the winner of the coaches poll
     
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    I think a lot of people don't realize the NCAA names the champion via a playoff in every sport but D1 football

    In the other sports, the NCAA gives them an NCAA trophy and everything.

    With the 4-team playoff, will the NCAA be awarding the championship and the NCAA trophy for the first time in D1 football history?
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I think I spoke plainly . . . since the advent of the BCS, the polls are irrelevant after the championship game is played. Disregarding the winner of that game as well as the other competitor to anoint a poll winner that wasn't in the game is bullshit. No matter who claims it. I think Auburn got screwed in 2004, but they didn't make the game and they can't claim an NC. If LSU finishes #3 and misses the game I will bitch and moan, but I would not claim #1 under any circumstances. The champion gets a crystal football and other teams must STFU.

    LSU only claimed consensus national championships when the polls were the only arbiter, not one or two polls that buck the consensus. The championship games trumps all polls. It's earned on the field. Bitter #3's should have played better, had better luck or fewer injuries, and become #1 or #2.
     
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