there is no way miles would jeopardize a players health, so he likely got the dr's go ahead for what all he can make tt do. and will make him do so much his ass is draggin and he doesnt have the energy to think about even going to a bar. i hope this gets the attention of everyone else on the team.
you cannot sign away your rights. a contract or a sign posted cannot make law, it can only explain the law. the courts decide cause. that is where the rubber meets the road. i would guess that certainly breaking your hand in a fight, or getting arrested and possibly receiving a citation is cause, but i wouldnt expect staying up late to be cause.
When it comes to student athletes and even college students for that matter, in regards to the regulations and policies of the school the coaches and administration is the LAW.
i don't think they can expel him for that, but he can sure get kicked off the team and lose his scholly if it is against team rules. At least i would think that would be the case.
i thought we were talking about football players and their scholarships, not students in general. a fb player can lose their scholly and not be expelled. however, they do have to then pay their own way. kicked off a team and expelled are two entirely different things. does anyone know if student athletes that receive schollies sign anything saying they will abide by team rules or risk losing their scholly? if so, then a team rule could state that they will not be in bars at 2 am. i am not saying the rules state that, i am saying they could. and i thought that in earlier years, there were rules like that for fb players. they had to be in their dorm rooms by a certain time each night, and that some sort of team monitor went around and made sure everyone was accounted for. if so, why didnt they scream their rights were being violated? and even tho not strict of saying you cant be in a bar or out at 2 am, arent there are codes of ethics for the student body in general?
No one said expel, we are talking about team discipline and how they handle violations of team rules. Depending on the severity of the violation, which in this case is breaking curfew and getting a citation for his behavior will decide the discipline the coaches, Miles, will hand down. As for expelling a student athlete, should the rule violation be severe enough, yes he or she can get expelled. Which would make the coaches and the administration the law as well as the judge and jury. Like it, agree with it or not this is the case and this is what student athletes agree to when they accept a scholarship. There are responsibilities that go along with the honor of receiving a scholarship. Also, believe it or not, most student athletes respect and are happy to have the discipline instilled in their lives by being part of the athletic program.
Yes, they all sign a code of conduct agreement. Not just football but any athlete on any NCAA sponsored college team. Refusal to abide by the code of conduct can lead to disciplinary actions such as losing ones scholarship or if serious enough expulsion from school.
While you can't sign away your rights, you can be asked and bound (pending your agreement) not to exercise them by a set of rules, signage, or contract. Example: I have the right to openly carry my pistol anywhere I go in this state. However, if I go someplace with a sign that says "no handguns allowed", I have to either not go in or put the pistol away and come back. If I choose to keep my pistol on me, I either don't get let in or I get asked to leave. Now, while my right to bear arms is still in tact, I have to abide by the other party's right to forbid me to carry in their establishment if I want to go in and remain there. Same with the football team. Those guys still have the right to go out and party until 4am every morning. However, if it has been explained to them that this is frowned upon (and it has) and to do so would be at their own risk of getting thrown off the team if it becomes a problem, then the decision was theirs as would be the consequences of their actions. Those guys are in control of whether they stay on the team or not. The coaches just react to their actions. Hell, I have the right to be a troll and stir up crap on this forum should I see fit to do it. Brett also has the right to ban my miserable arse should he decide to, assuming there's something in the TOS regarding that type of behavior. Bottom line is, if a player breaks his word he gave the coach and the university about the way he represents the school, they have every right to throw him off the team. I'm sure there's a line somewhere that someone could sue for, like maybe the TTU incident, but outside of that it's all about the players living up to their end of how they agreed to behave in order to stay a part of the team. Regardless, none of this matters anyway, the thread isn't about anyone getting thrown off the team for staying up too late.. Toliver has apologized, Miles says they'll get through it and move forward. Case closed, nothing to see here.. Unless it happens again.
ok, lets say the crazy fundie zealot arkansas football coach hatfield didnt like a star freshman player (lets say Wayne Martin) because he was overtly athiest. he dismisses him from the team because he broke a curfew. he's too young to go to nfl and no other team will take him because of some good old boy coaches code (more likely to have existed in the time of hatfield). i think missing an irrelevant curfew is not proper cause to substantially hurt the ability of martin to make money.
