Obama Suddenly, Obamacare is more unpopular than ever

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  1. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    My wife didn't take any drugs during labor or after. They wouldn't let us leave less than 2 days.
     
  2. uscvball

    uscvball Founding Member

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    Yea, I didn't mean to imply that you guys fell under those circumstances, but rather your bill made you a victim of everyone else's circumstances. All the more reason to fight your bill line by line. Lots of hospitals claim the 2-3 days is necessary for the baby but that's b.s. too. No place safer for a newborn than in their momma's arms and out of the disease-infested hospitals. A boob and a blanket and it's all good.
     
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  3. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Opinions are not evidence and opinions differ. Thats the conservative website opinion. Here are some more mainstream opinions.

    http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...e-has-been-even-more-successful-than-expected

    http://www.latimes.com/business/hil...s-changing-us-healthcare-20150610-column.html

    And here is the one from the left.

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...amacare-critics-cant-believe-their-lying-eyes

    Failed Prediction #1: Americans won’t enroll in the ACA
    In 2009 and 2010, it was widely assumed among Republicans that Democrats had fundamentally miscalculated public demand and consumers would show no real interest in signing up for coverage through the Affordable Care Act. Indeed, among some on the right, this was a foregone conclusion – Americans wouldn’t trust “Obamacare.” We now know, of course, that the opposite is true and that millions of families have eagerly signed up for benefits through the ACA.

    Failed Prediction #2: The ACA won’t meet its enrollment goals
    OK, so maybe some consumers would enroll, Republicans eventually said, but the ACA would inevitably lose the numbers game when the enrollment projections proved overly ambitious. In reality, both this year and last year, enrollment totals exceeded the Obama administration’s preliminary projections.

    Failed Prediction #3: Insurers will want no part of the ACA system
    the opposite of the truth, as insurance companies have been eager to compete for Americans’ business.

    Failed Prediction #4: The economy will suffer terribly because of ‘Obamacare’
    Among Republicans, there was near-certainty that 2014 – the first full year for ACA implementation – would be an abysmal year for the American job market. After all, it seemed obvious to the right that “Obamacare” would crush job creation and push unemployment higher. In reality, 2014 was the best year for American job creation since the ’90s; the unemployment has shown sharp improvement; and there’s literally no evidence that the ACA had an adverse effect on economic growth at all.

    Failed Prediction #5: Even if Americans enrolled, they won’t pay their premiums
    When the evidence started looking good for the ACA, Republicans got a little desperate, looking for ways to downplay good news, and the “people won’t pay their premiums” talking point took root. It was, however, completely wrong.

    Failed Prediction #6: Even if people pay their premiums, the flawed ACA structure will send premiums soaring
    Those hoping to see the American system fail counted on soaring insurance premiums. This just hasn’t happened and the ACA model has proven to be quite effective.

    Failed Prediction #7: The ACA won’t reduce the uninsured rate because it will only help those who already have coverage
    This was a GOP favorite for quite a while, right up until the evidence proved the right had this backwards, too.

    Failed Prediction #8: The ACA will lead to a “net loss” on overall coverage
    This line was pushed by House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) for a while, with the Republican leader arguing a year ago that “Obamacare” would end coverage for more people than it would expand coverage to, “a net loss.” Boehner said, “I actually do believe that to be the case.” As it turns out, his actual beliefs were ridiculously wrong.

    Failed Prediction #9: The ACA will lead to higher deficits and a weaker fiscal footing for the nation
    One of the projections that never sat well for Republicans, who sometimes pretend to care about the deficit, was that “Obamacare” would reduce the nation’s deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars in the coming years. The GOP assumed the non-partisan budget analyses were wrong and proceeded to tell the country the law would make the deficit larger and “bankrupt” the country. According to the Congressional Budget Office, however, Republicans got this backwards, too. In fact, the overall price tag of the ACA is now smaller than previously projected.

    Failed Prediction #10: Americans will end up hating the coverage they receive through the ACA
    Customer satisfaction rates came as a huge surprise to Republicans, who expected the opposite results: “A majority of Americans give good reviews for insurance they recently acquired through government exchanges within the past year, a new poll shows. With the second round of Obamacare enrollment set to begin on Saturday, 71 percent said their coverage through the exchanges was good or excellent, according to a Gallup poll released Friday. Another 19 percent said the coverage was fair, while 9 percent rated it poorly.”

    That’s 10 failed predictions and we could keep going.​
     
  5. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    You're using Rachel Madow as evidence....please she is nothing but a cheerleader for the radical left. Her opinion isn't worth toilet paper.
    The data presented along with the continuing double digit increases in insurance rates reported all over give lie to the opinion you present.
     
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  6. LSUTiga

    LSUTiga TF Pubic Relations

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    I have had increases in premiums, doctors' visits and I understand next year will substantial increases again.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I listed several contrary articles including those of the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times, which you apparently did not read. Maddow may represent the left, but the points she made are valid. The ACA is complicated and there is nothing about your opinions that invalidate all others. All you did was link an article on a website that is a cheerleader for the radical right and then act shocked to discover that opposing views also exist on the left and middle.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Premiums have gone up steadily for 50 years. What a shock.
     
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  9. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Could that be because poor people are still using the ER as a doctors office and not paying? The way we get costs to go down is to get as many people insured as possible right? Or am I missing something?
     
  10. LSUTiga

    LSUTiga TF Pubic Relations

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    Listen knucklehead, Osamacare was supposed to lower our premiums. Did you forget that? Not to mention my co-pay more than doubled.
     

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