News Stephan Hawking Declares There is No God

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No, I'm talking about "creationism"-- the notion that God magically created the universe in 7 days because the Holy Books say this is true.

    I'm talking about "intelligent design"--the notion that the creation of the universe is so complex that only God could be responsible.

    I'm talking about denial of evolution--the notion that God created all creatures great and small as complete and final beings rather than that species originate by descent with variations from parent forms, through the natural selection of those individuals best adapted for the reproductive success of their kind.

    Most science denial is based on religious objections based on whatever mythologies are held as holy, despite wide incompatibility among those beliefs through time and across global geography.
     
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    How in the world do you dismiss that as evidence? Personal experience is certainly evidence, that's why people are called as witnesses. Miraculous cures that defy medical explanation are documented all the time. Exorcisms take place fairly frequently and if performed by a catholic priest it's typically done after psychiatric examination has determined mental illness is not the cause. And 1000 failed rescues have absolutely no bearing on one miraculous one, it still remains unexplained.

    If you want to be a hard-headed cynic and say there is no such thing as the immaterial world I would suggest you look into the matter again. The evidence is available.
     
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    flabengal Founding Member

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    "Adaptive misbeliefs, false memory, cultish mind control"? You mean like global warming?

    Sorry, I couldn't resist...;-)
     
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    flabengal Founding Member

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    The theory of evolution is so full of holes it's not even funny. How's that "punctuated equilibrium" idea going over? Have the majority of scientists swallowed that load of b.s.? Open your eyes, Red...
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I encourage you to start a thread denying evolution. I will shred it like I did your global warming thread. :D

    I am ready for a good argument, amigo. You are tenacious and not the ordinary fool. Give it a shot.
     
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    flabengal Founding Member

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    You seem hung up the time aspect of creation. Why is that? Time is part of the creation, it is irrelevant to the act itself. It would be like saying God made the world too big or too small. Like you agree with God making the earth but the galaxy is too big for you to believe that. It seems like an odd objection to me.

    It's His decision if he makes in a nanosecond or a trillion years. Why do you object to the time period involved?

    Also, who here is denying the Truths of science. I have no problem with facts. I have no problem with math either. It helps the planes land in the right place. I am all for it.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Because the seven-day-creation stretches credulity. It denies evolution. It requires supernatural magic. It absolutely defies physics. It is a prime indicator of a creation myth, of which there are a plethora. How does one choose just one to be holy and true? Indeed, how does one validate any of them? If you say God created the Big Bang and evolution as well, I can only shrug and ask you for your reasoning. If you say God created heaven and earth in seven days about 4,500 years ago, then I can offer tons of conclusive geologic, biologic, astronomical, and physical evidence to dispute it.

    Glad to hear it. It also causes problems with religious dogma though, which is the area in discussion.
     
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    flabengal Founding Member

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    I will have to reply to your other points another time. Evolution thread is not a problem.

    I was not aware of science clashing with dogma. Which dogma are you referring to?
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I'm talking about dogma in general--a set of principles laid down by religious authority that are held to be incontrovertibly true.
     
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    As far as I understand it the dogma of the Catholic Church is true and cannot possibly be false. That's why I would be interested in finding out which one you think science has disproven. I don't think you can do it though. Get that one published and you will be famous forever.
     
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