News Stephan Hawking Declares There is No God

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I would call it a confusing explanation and disturbing un-monotheistic. Most Christians cannot explain the trinity to me. Nobody much understands this "holy ghost" concept.
     
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    kcal Founding Member

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    I'll shoot for an overly simplified explanation (based on my simplified understanding):

    there's Red55 the mod and resident curmudgeon on TigerFan, there's also Red55 the university fellow, and finally Red55 the property owner.

    in each of these personas Red 55 has a different focus and responsibilities, and as such has different relationships and interactions with others based on those responsibilities; but is still Red55.



    that is my understanding of the trinity
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I suppose, but I've always heard it was God in three persons, not God with three jobs. I understand the God concept. I understand the Son-O-God concept. I do not get the holy ghost thing.
     
  4. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    But there is always the possibility that God created the universe in exactly the way that Hawkings understands it to come into existence
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    In which case God would equal "nature" and Hawking would likely agree.
     
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    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Or that God created "nature."
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Or that unicorns created nature. Got a point?
     
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    To state that science can't disprove the existence of God doesn't lend any legitimate credibility to the notion that God actually exists. That statement isn't an argument. It is also true that science can't disprove the existence of unicorns or leprechauns. It's most likely that God doesn't exist—just like fairies and trolls. And when things are most likely, we call those facts. It's important to remember that there are no absolutes in science. But there's always a distant, outside chance that there is a God . . . who knows? And I think that's really the point. No one knows, and possibly, no one will ever know. Perhaps it's unknowable.
     
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    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Now you're just being silly and obstinate
     
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    I am quite sure this is incorrect. I don't think they understand the creation of the universe at all. The closer the models get to the starting point the less clear the theory becomes, or has this changed?
    But the first sentence is exactly what I mean about the overestimation of science. They want you to think because our standard of living is higher then we know more about every subject than people in ancient times, that's bullchit. We just have electricity now. The Romans weren't stupid, or the Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, etc.
     

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