News Stephan Hawking Declares There is No God

If God exists religion has attributed Him more powers than Superman or Green Lantern put together. OK, say that God exists but he doesn't have foreknowledge of how we will exercise our free will. He doesn't know what we will choose to do. If God is all powerful yet still bound by the laws of physics then he is unable to travel in time or see into the future. Or maybe he can but its really hard to do and he doesn't make the effort to see what each of us billions of people are going to do in the future. Even Superman had to fly around the world a lot of times to achieve a speed faster than light before he could time travel.

Have you considered that expending all that energy might make even God tired? There is precedent for the belief that God can get tired. In Genesis it says "And on the Seventh Day He Rested." That assumes that God can get tired after a major workout. Don't you think that if God knew what baby Adolf Hitler was going to end up doing that it would have been easy for God to give him a disease or sudden infant death syndrome?

 

Look, I understand the point of your question is to point out the absurdity. The only thing I was doing was providing the answer that would be given by the people that the question was pointed to and defend it the way it has been defended against my questions in the past. No one else really jumped on board. So I'm out.

The question that I ask is why would God take someone so young? The answer I get is He has a special purpose.

 

everything happens for a reason.


god has a plan.


so if i walk up and blow your childs brains out on a whim, that was gods plan and happened for a reason? gtfo. random shit happens all the time and most of the time there is no rhyme or reason. but we as self-important humans have to put a grand view on everything that involves us.

1. we like to have answers

2. it really really sucks when often there is none.

 

That is something man would think of...you cannot hope to know the mind of god. BTW that is one of the major issues I have with religions; I can't imagine a god of all things creator of the universe that needs to be worshiped. Sounds like a gump to me.

 

At least he's not suffering now. He is in a better place.

 

No, I have contended all along that it works both ways, Red. You used this very fallacy to prove your point, but you failed to mention the second part of the fallacy, that it does indeed work both ways.

 

No Red it is the very basis of the argument. There is no way to prove the existance of god or lack there of. There is no burden onbelievers to prove athiests wrong or vice versa. IT CAN"T BE DONE.
Faith in god cannot be measured or conveyed, but within each person. Those who proclaim their belief in god (what ever form they use) cannot prove his existance; nor do they need to to share it with others and bring them into faith. The idea that one has to prove gods' existance is a fallacy that many do within all religions. In fact the catholic and most protestant faith I know and as I understand Judism one can only truly know god by faith. It seems most eastern religons have similar basis.
There are too many sermons given and to fill the space too many mistakenly offer scripture or some other act as fact or proof. It isn't. Faith comes from within and only god knows whether he exists or not.

 

I think one of the most aggravating things a person can say to someone who has been touched by tragedy is, "Everything happens for a reason."

Bullshit.

Both of my daughters are trying to understand what a friend of my older daughter has done to "deserve" the brain tumor behind her right eye that had to be romoved and has blinded the 14-year-old girl in that eye. This same girl was born very prematurely and actually had a twin sister who died right after her birth. This strong girl has endured many surgeries to also repair her left leg, which is the only reminder of the cerebral palsy from which she suffers as a result of being born at 22 weeks.

I don't tell them that, "God has a plan for her or everything happens for a reason." That's trite. I tell them that sometimes really bad things happen to people that don't deserve it at all. Basically, that shit happens.

 

The Onus Probandi, the burden of proof, rests upon whomever asserts the belief. When a believer states their belief, the burden of proof is upon them to prove that God exists. Likewise, when a non-believer states their disbelief, the burden of proof is upon them to disprove that God exists.

Neither side can provide said evidence so they are both reliant upon faith in their position. Atheism and Faith are not commonly associated with one another but it requires just as much faith to proclaim oneself an atheist as it does to proclaim yourself a believer because the have no evidence to support their assertion that God does not exist.