stealing music, and the future of copyright

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  1. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    nope. the riaa will sue you. they are not fine with listening to someone else's mp3s over a network.

    and, seriously, i cant give a copy to my wife?
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    That's not loaning a legal copy, that's duplication.

    The wife has certain familial access to your personal copies.
     
  3. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    he hands his 33 LPs over to his friends.

    of course not. you can hand her your cd or ipod when you arent listening.
     
  4. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Yar, its sharing with me fellow pirates, not stealing!
     
  5. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i dont dispute what the laws are. i know what i do is illegal. i dont care and there is no reason i should.


    my argument is that it is right.

    the system is flawed, when the laws change, and they will, that suddenly wont make it "right" when it wasnt before.

    thats exactly what you said. it doesnt matter iof the grandma in question is a paid cookbook writer that depends on it for her living, or if she is just a grandma that can cook. stealing is stealing, or it isnt. if my grandma wants to protect her recipe, but you go around admitting to everyone what the secret ingredient is, you are effectively giving out copies of her information that she worked hard to make.

    this again demonstrated how it is different. if i borrowed a hacksaw, and you found out i was using it to saw through padlocks to steal stuff, you would be pissed and take your saw back, and you should be. you dont care when people copy your music because it is apparent to you that it doesnt matter like stealing real stuff.
     
  6. KyleK

    KyleK Who, me? Staff Member

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    What about stealing in general? Isn't it stealing when LSU is paying you to work, yet you spend who knows how much of the time that they are paying for, posting to message boards?

    I know that when I pay my employees to work, I expect them to work. One of my carpenters would not last long if I saw that he was reading and posting to a message board with his laptop when I was paying him to bang nails.

    And Red, that's not only directed at you. Seems like the internet sure does cost a lot of employers a lot of money.
     
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  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No, you missed the point, too. A grandma handing out her recipes to her grandkids is not publishing and not copyright protected. A grandma (or anyone else) who publishes a cookbook is protected by copyright.

    You concept of "real stuff" is outmoded and childlike. We no longer live in an industrial society but an information and knowledge society. Valuable "stuff' doesn't have to contain mass. There is going to be more and more digital media that is someone's intellectual property and peoples livelihoods depend on it. Protection of copyrights, patents and other intellectual property rights must be respected.

    Chinese and other foreign countries disrespect already costs the US $billions a year in lost income from our biggest products--popular music, movies, TV, and other copyrighted media. Are you an agent of Red China, Comrade?
     
  8. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Great post. As for myself, unlike Red and others here, have never posted while being paid to work for someone else. All of my posts have been at a time when I was either working for myself on during free time, so I was only stealing from myself.

    In this area I can claim the moral high ground over Red just as Red claims the moral high ground in the area of file sharing. If I was paying somebody to bang nails I wouldn't care if he was listening to stolem music on his iPod while doing it but if I caught him taking a break to post something on an internet message board every 5 minutes he would become another unemployment statistic
     
  9. shaqazoolu

    shaqazoolu Concentrated Awesome

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    That may not be what you meant but inferences don't translate into text very well. Your example says exactly what I interpreted the meaning to be.

    Condition 1: Grandma = retired farm wife - Who cares if someone steals her recipe (read intellectual property)? She's not making any money off of it anyway.

    Condition 2: Grandma = professional cookbook writer - Not cool because she actually stood to gain monetary benefit from that recipe.

    It's the same freaking person with the same asset but a different disposition makes the same action unacceptable. That doesn't make sense no matter how you spin it.
     
  10. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    theres a huge difference in disposition and copyrighted info. its on granny to license her product. otherwise its free to share.

    same way if you have some great idea and leave it out there without a patent, someone can run with it. whose fault is that?


    thats the difference between legal and illegal.
     

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