stealing music, and the future of copyright

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The RIAA is an industry trade association, they are not the law. They lobby on behalf of the music industry. Copyright law does allow for archival backups of legally purchased computer files.

    No.

    "Time shifting" has been ruled to be Fair Use.

    No. Deprives artists of their royalties.
     
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  2. BAY0U BENGAL

    BAY0U BENGAL I'm a Chinese Bandit

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    Then red shouldn't let people borrow or share his music library
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    All Fair use. You are blathering about a non-issue.

    Stealing has always been easy and I can't wait for you to someday tell a judge that if it's easy to steal it is effectively free. The brothers in Valley Park feel the same way about my car.

    Correct, nobody says that. But say that Grandma isn't a retired farm wife, but a professional cookbook writer. And if you pirate, duplicate, and give away grandma's entire cookbook, depriving her of the means to make a living . . . then you are causing her to live in a cardboard box on handouts.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Borrowing is fine. Listening is fine. I loan recordings all the time. even reselling is fine.

    Duplicating them is the crime. It defrauds the creator.
     
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  5. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i think your antiquated view of this issue is revealed by your comparisons to stealing tangible physical objects. it isnt the same.

    (you are racist) if those same "brothers" took a photo of your car and later replicated it with a magical replicator machine, leaving your car alone, it would a be a better analogy.

    do you unfriend your criminal amigos when you find out they ripped a copy of your cd to their ipod?
     
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  6. BAY0U BENGAL

    BAY0U BENGAL I'm a Chinese Bandit

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    I just don't get how downloading a song for my ipod makes a difference. If someone pays for something and they let me put a song on my ipod, then its using the product.
     
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  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    But it is! The difficulty you are having is your refusal to respect intellectual property rights.

    I don't enforce copyright laws, nor inspect friends iTunes libraries. I don't know if they listen to it, copy it, or worship it,nor do I care. I just know that I don't steal copyrighted material. I don't like to be stolen from in this manner and I don't do it to others.
     
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  8. shaqazoolu

    shaqazoolu Concentrated Awesome

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    Seems like splitting hairs to me. So it's okay to steal someone's stuff as long as the product you steal wasn't produced professionally.
     
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  9. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    thats because younger folks justify stealing a lot easier than most. you're broke, your interest in music is often at its peak and you have access to all of it ---for free.

    but i am simply arguing on the side of the law here. clearly Im aware the technology has passed the industry by and its their onus to adapt.

    I steal music all the time though I do know its not legal to do so.

    doesnt make it right.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I didn't say that at all. You completely miss the point.
     
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