stealing music, and the future of copyright

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by martin, Jul 3, 2007.

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No. It's fair use. Cookbooks are obviously intended to be read and used. Copyright is to prevent the original work from being copied and distributed, depriving the author of his pay.

    Are you kidding? If you read martins book, copy a recipe and cook it, martin has not been defrauded--the cookbook was paid for and has not been illegally copied. That is the equivalent of listening to martin's folk song, writing down the lyrics, and singing it. Fair use.

    Now if you make an illegal copy of martin's folk song rather than buying it, martin has been defrauded. An illegal copying of an original piece is different from listening and singing.

    I would be a cheap friend not to buy them a copy of martin's book. But nevertheless emailing them a recipe it is still fair use if martin was properly cited. Then the friend has the opportunity to buy The Gay Nazi Cookbook in its entirety.

    Not at all. Fair use, because the original itself is not copied. Copyrighted works can be excerpted under fair use if they are properly cited, giving the reader the opportunity to legally purchase the entire original work

    Apples and oranges, my friend. Cooking martin's stew equates to singing martin's folk song. Photocopying his entire cookbook or digitally duplicating his recording is defrauding martin.

    The publishing industry is older, richer, and more unforgiving than the music industry. It's like the Genovese family versus the Crips.
     
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  2. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    of course.

    i think most folks intuitively realize this is ok. in the future the laws will change to reflect that.

    red thinks you are a thief though.
     
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  3. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    you are not "allowed" to copy your own legally obtained cd for an archival copy. at least according to the RIAA attornies (i have previously posted a link). hell, even ipods/itunes are setup to prevent you from doing this. riaa has even said they will sue when networks allow music to be listened to (fair use?) but not copied/obtained.

    can i legally copy movies i pay to rent? does the law make some distinction between royalties paid for rent and paid for sale?

    can i legally use my dvr for a movie on ABC? a ppv movie? can i make a hard copy of it. can i give that hard copy to my friend? my dad? my wife?

    these are very important distinctions since lsu will have one tigervision game this year.:geauxtige
     
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  4. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i have worked long on hard on my athiest stew and gay nazi cookbook. some of the best recipes, that required years of trial and error, are actually quite simple and can be memorized immediately. you can even tell someone the whole procedure in a minute or two. my recipes are brilliantly simple. this means that my recipes can and will be spread by word of mouth, like wildfire. i get no money when you tell your friends, and they tell theirs. they are quite literally distributing copies of my recipe, my information, that i created, via my own labor, without my permission. should i be able to issue gag orders on them?

    of course not. and i submit to you, my amigos, that the reason why i cant is not because it is morally different than music sharing, but because it is simply technically impossible for me to prevent this sort of spread of my labor, my information, because the information itself is so easy to distribute. and now that music is almost as easy to distribute, then the same rules will eventually apply.

    nobody says: "dont distribute my grandmas cookie recipe because then everyone will have it for free and enjoy tasty cookies while my grandma gets squat".
     
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  5. shaqazoolu

    shaqazoolu Concentrated Awesome

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    Music publishers: iTunes not paying fair share | Digital Media - CNET News

    ASCAP wants Apple to pay for the 30 second song previews that you use to decide whether or not to purchase a song as well as streaming radio/TV in iTunes.

    The plot thickens...

    Seems to me like the hunger for money is creating quite the double standard on this particular issue. To me this is like asking TV networks to pay companies to run their commercials instead of vice versa.
     
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  6. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    exactly.

    i kinda think this issue is always better understood by younger folks.

    this reminds me, i remember reading about musicians resisting being put into rock band or guitar hero, asking for exorbitant fees. those musicians had it backwards. they should be desperate to get into that game, for free even. the artists in those games have increased their popularity immensely, to a new generation of listeners.
     
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  7. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Record companies and artists are going to have to evolve, and their business models are going to have to evolve.
     
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  8. DRC

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    Music sharing is never going away. The RIAA can fight it all they want but they are spitting in the wind. Canada has an interesting model where they surcharge blank CD's but allow MP3 sharing. The artists recover a small amount on this surcharge but they cant stop Canadians from sharing music.
     
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  9. shaqazoolu

    shaqazoolu Concentrated Awesome

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    This is an excellent point. There are SEVERAL songs and artists that I would have never heard of had it not been for Guitar Hero.

    Why do you think the music industry is so in favor of internet censorship? The ONLY way to stop file sharing is to stop the internet. Like LaSalle said, the music industry's business model is crumbling and unsustainable. I think they realize this but instead of adapting to the changes, they are HUGE band-wagoners of internet censorship. They know that the only way to stop file sharing is to stop the entire internet.
     
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  10. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i like "the sword" by "freya". had never heard of it. love it. also many of my friends had never heard of muse but now love them.


    exactly right. i just think they have their heads stuck in the past. forward thinking artists like 50 cent and radiohead and NIN are figuring it out. the same process has happende with other technologies.

    it counterproductive to call consumers "theives" and criminalize their consumption of your product. the smart move is to find new revenue streams. this seems so obvious.
     
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