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Sports Illustrated Investigative Report Involving Oklahoma State

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JP4LSU Founding Member

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The only thing in the report that seems vaguely familiar is the teaser about the upcoming segment on drugs where it is claimed that positive drug tests wer

Apologies if I mis-characterized you...was a little hot under the collar the way many "journalists" were immediately taking the "if they printed it, it must be true" attitude.

Looking at the videos on SI of the players making the claims, it strikes me that you don't hear any of what the questions were so a viewer has no idea what they are answering to. Reading the story gives me the same impression.

Wish SI would release certified transcripts of the full interviews.

At any rate, I don't believe a word of it to be honest. Several of the people accused in this story are dead and can't defend themselves and the parade of OSU players calling out the 6 or 7 players making the accusations (all of whom were kicked off of the OSU team) make this look very dubious. What is amazing is that 2 of the players that were used in the interviews are coming out and denying what they allegedly said in the interview.

Again...release full certified transcripts of these interviews and let's see what was asked. Someone could film me saying "I did kill him!", which could be pretty incriminating at face value but would be perfectly innocent if it was in response to a friend asking "Hey, did you ever kill that mouse that was in your attic?"
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No worries man. After re-reading what I wrote, I did sound like what was written in the article was true. So I see how you came to your conclusion.

JP4LSU, Sep 11, 2013

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http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.a...ast_of_Characters/20130911_93_B5_ULNSbA370105

Herb, Sep 11, 2013

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Can anyone provide the portion of the audio clip of Miles this week talking about 9/11, the OKC bombings, and then transitioning into his time with the Oklahoma St. program? I think it was from the weekly SEC conference call(?).

lsu99, Sep 13, 2013

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Funny how all these players are denying these claims by players who either transferred or were dismissed.

LaSalleAve, Sep 13, 2013

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http://www.andthevalleyshook.com/2013/9/13/4727492/les-miles-and-part-4-of-sis-oklahoma-state-story

Believe it or not, it's actually possible for this SI expose of Oklahoma State to have gone worse. I'm not quite sure how, but I don't doubt it is possible. but when there is rampant twitter speculation the lead writer of the story has been canned and you feel the need to deny it because everyone believes the rumor could be true... well, that's a sign things are not going you way.

It is into this atmosphere of general derision that SI dropped Part IV: SEX! SEX! SEX! of its Les Miles Oklahoma State expose. It is everything I had hoped it would be and more. Let's just say that I hope the SI legal department has brushed up on its New York Times v. Sullivan.

When the recruit arrived in Stillwater he received an enthusiastic greeting from two members of Orange Pride, a group made up of female undergrads that is described on the university website as an "organization that donates their time and efforts to assist with Recruiting for Oklahoma State and the Football Program." The women explained that they would be taking him to dinner, the recruit recalls, but first they had a stop to make. A short time later he was having sex with both of them. "Rock 'n' rolling, I had the best of the best -- the aces," says the recruit, who spoke to SI on the record but is not being named to protect the identities of the two women.

Yeah, I bet you want to protect the identity of the two future Plaintiffs who want to sue your pants off. Rule of thumb: if a publication doesn't trust it's reporting enough to even reveal the name of who was talking for fear of getting their pants sued off, it's usually a good idea to just ignore everything in the quote. This is the equivalent of me telling you that I totally had sex with Christina Hendricks that one time.*

*She's on my List of Five with Posette. I have a thing for redheads. So sue me.

Then Thayer Evans really piles on the dirt:

Hostess programs have been part of college football since the 1960s. Friendly, often attractive students greet recruits, usher them and their parents around campus and promote the virtues of the school. There have long been suspicions about sexual interactions. In 2004 public scandals at Colorado and other schools revealed that sex had been arranged for visiting prospects. Although no formal campus organization was implicated in those cases, several colleges shuttered their hostess programs or rechristened them with less suggestive names. That year the NCAA passed legislation that, in part, prohibited "the use of alcohol, drugs, sex and gambling in recruiting."

Oklahoma State not only kept Orange Pride intact, but by 2004, multiple sources told SI, the group also became a key contributor to the program's rise. Membership in the organization more than tripled; there was a greater emphasis on attracting prettier and more outgoing women; and more than a dozen Cowboys who played from 2001 to '11 told SI that a small number of Orange Pride members had sexual relations with them or with other prospects during recruiting visits. According to the former hostesses who spoke to SI, the vast majority did not have sex with recruits. But for those who did, it proved to be an effective inducement.

"There's no other way a female can convince you to come play football at a school besides [sex]," says Artrell Woods, a Cowboys wide receiver from 2006 to '08, who says he did not have sex with an Orange Pride member on his recruiting visit but was aware of others who did.

Let's unpack what's going on here, because it's sort of awesome.

First, Evans puts the image in your head of the sex scandal at Colorado in 2004 that you totally forgot about, but I'm sure it was totally awful and salacious. Then he states that "several" but totally unnamed and uncounted number of schools shuttered their hostess programs. That might have been work to find out, and actually informative to the reader. "Several" could mean three, all at Sun Belt schools. I honestly have no idea. Neither do you, but that's the point. He's pushing your buttons already. Then comes the boom:

Oklahoma State NOT ONLY kept their program but it was "key contributor" of its rise, which we will totally prove, but not really. See? They recruited MORE GIRLS who wereMORE PRETTY and MORE OUTGOING. And they totally had sex. Well, not all of them. Just a few. And not with anyone we talked to. In fact, no one we talked to had sex, but they totally knew this guy who absolutely had sex with that girl. Totally. You can take that to the bank. High five, bro!

Then Evans moves to that cherry on top, perhaps the most sexist thing in an article alleging that OSU was pimping girls out to have sex with football players to come to play in Stillwater: his star witness tells all of us the only thing girls have to offer is sex. I mean, Artell Woods didn't actually have sex with anyone, but he came to Stillwater anyway. Maybe because he knew other people who did. He doesn't know their names or anything, but it so totally happened and we should all believe him. Really, what use is a girl other than to provide sexual services?

That sound you hear is me throwing up in my mouth. Now, if you'll note, there's no actual allegation yet, just the collection of hearsay near the vague recollection there was a sex scandal somewhere else, but we're going to get to the good stuff, right? Well, not really.

None of the more than 30 former players or the 14 former Orange Pride members who spoke to SI about the group had direct knowledge of a coach or athletic department staff member instructing a hostess to have sex with a recruit. But a former Orange Pride adviser and two former members of the football staff say that coaches sometimes decided which hostesses to pair with which recruits.

There's your story, ladies and gentlemen.

We talked to 44 people and not one of them said the staff instructed anyone to have sex with anybody. But but but... the coaches "sometimes" decided which hostess would host which recruit. That proves, um, something, I think.
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This is a good read by Poseur over at ATVS

Cajun Sensation, Sep 13, 2013

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Couyon split the scene eh? Facking poser.

LSUTiga, Sep 13, 2013

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Cajun Sensation said: ↑

http://www.andthevalleyshook.com/2013/9/13/4727492/les-miles-and-part-4-of-sis-oklahoma-state-story

This is a good read by Poseur over at ATVS
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I was worried this was going to be an exercise in "slut shaming", by being outraged that girls dare to enjoy sex. It turns out there is only one slut in this story, and it ain't the girls.
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Boom.

mctiger, Sep 13, 2013

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I'm shocked to hear that college students smoke pot and have sex.

Shocked, I tell you.

red55, Sep 13, 2013

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red55 said: ↑

I'm shocked to hear that college students smoke pot and have sex.

Shocked, I tell you.
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I know that never went on when you were at LSU.

StaceyO, Sep 13, 2013

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I know that never went on when you were at LSU.
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back then they smoked pot only out of calumets with the natives

Cajun Sensation, Sep 13, 2013

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