Spin-off thread: Your Favorite Conspiracy Theories

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  1. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    My favorites are the ones around the sinking of the Titanic.
    • Jesuits/Rothschild/JP Morgan/ Freemasons/ Illuminati/ Zionists (or some combination of those groups) sank the Titanic to kill John Astor, Benjamin Guggenheim, and Isidore Strauss. This killed chief opposition to the creation of the Federal Reserve. One of the groups secretly controlls the Fed and needed it in place to Finance WWI. In the best versions Edward Smith is a secret Jesuit assasin.
    • JP Morgan sank the Titanic for the insurance money. In some versions the Titanic was never actually built, its already sunk sister ship the Olympic was repaired and sunk.
    I also like the Roswell crash theories. Major Jesse Marcel is my mom's uncle. I have spoken with his son many times about the night his dad brought home some of the crash debris. He is convinced it is otherworldly. I don't buy it, but it was fascinating to hear him tell the tale. When I first heard the story at age 8 I was convinced it was an alien space ship. Now I think the material was some kind of plastic, and the reason it was so strange is because plastic wasn't common knowledge in the 1940s.
    Any secret society one is almost always good for a hoot. There used to be a poster here who believed pretty much all of them. He was convinced the Freemasons secretly ruled the world.
    Which ones do you like? Do you believe any of them?
     
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  2. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    In no particular order

    George HW Bush killed JFK

    Gangsta Rap was invented to bolster the prison population for private prisons

    Edward Deuvere was Shakespeare

    Templar Knights - Masons - Illuminati

    Nero Burns Rome

    Atlantis

    CIA Drug trafficking

    Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I believe none that have been mentioned. I'm an evidence-based analyst, not a "what if"-type deducer.

    The most fascinating is the Kennedy assassination. There is no end to the theories, and being shot down for decades doesn't keep most of them from still being believed by people. It is fun to analyze and it easy to puncture most of the theories. 50 years of investigations have concluded that the Warren Commission pretty much got it right. There are still mysteries and the FBI and Secret Service have done some serious coverup, evidence mishandling, and disinformation that suggest that some secrets have been suppressed. Probably huge negligence on both their parts. Oswald was a well-known kook and on all their radars yet nobody acted. But it really was one lone nut that shot Kennedy.

    The Titanic hit an iceberg because her captain was going too fast for the conditions in a reported iceberg area. Pilot error.

    Roswell was a top-secret air force reconnaissance project. Half of what we hear was deliberate disinformation, but it has finally all come out officially. We promoted UFOs in the 1950 and had a special office to investigate them to give the idea some authority. But it was a convenient way to distract the public when top secret aircraft and missile tests were observed. In a way it was a conspiracy by the government, but not to hide the existence of aliens. It was to hide top secret military and CIA projects.

    Freemasons and their ilk can be very influential, but they have never come close to ruling the world. Like all kook religions, their appeal is limited.

    Pearl Harbor was a preemptive strike by Japan. It is their signature way of starting a war. Everybody had been expecting a war with Japan for a couple of years, but we expected it in the Philippines or Guam. Pearl Harbor was pretty ballsy of them and a huge tactical success. Of course it was also a colossal strategic blunder. Everybody knew war was coming, but we didn't know where. It was a failure, pure and simple, but no conspiracy. Since then the US has been obsessed with intelligence gathering.
     
  4. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    You don't believe we are alone do you?
     
  5. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Pearl Harbor wouldn't have been a failure had the Japs taken out the fuel.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No. But there is a complete lack of evidence for their existence until there is. The distances are so vast and the technical problems of interstellar travel so overwhelming, that it is unlikely that planetary civilizations will ever interact. Even radio has a limit to its range and its senders would be long dead before a message could be returned...if they were even looking for one.

    And assuming that some advanced civilization has overcome the near-impossible and have noticed us. Well then the logical problems begin. Why would they fuck with us for a couple of centuries hiding among us in wildly varying disguises instead of just saying, "We're from Vulcan, take us to your leader". Why would the advanced beings abduct farmers who return talking of anal probes? Perhaps they have been abducted by gay truckers instead.

    Waiting on the evidence, amigo.
     
  7. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    So you don't think there is influence here already?
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    A long-held myth based on the speculation of an early reporter and much-repeated by subsequent authors who never actually checked it out. But fuel is relative easy to transport and store. We had lots more oil parked elsewhere in the Pacific and on the West coast and lots of tankers and oilers. It would have hampered only the ships based on Oahu and only for a couple of weeks. And those ships can be redeployed elsewhere and were bound to in a shooting war. It would have been a mistake for the Japanese to leave expensive ships afloat that take years to build and instead take out a single tank farm that can be rebuilt and refilled cheaply and quickly.

    There are some pretty good books that dissect many of the tales of Pearl Harbor and sort out the unsubstantiated.

    THIS is probably the best one.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Since you offer no evidence, why don't you tell us what you think. Then I will evaluate it.
     
  10. Bengal B

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    It's hard to believe that the massive blocks used to build the pyramids were moved and lifted into place by human slaves without the use of some kind of mechanized equipment.

    And then there are the ancient landing strips in the mountains of Peru.

    Who built the Nazca Lines and for what purpose?
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