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  1. NavyTiger

    NavyTiger dunn dunn it all

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    5 are starters.
    Clairborne is the #1 corner.
    Shepard is #2 WR.
    Brooks will have playing time for sure.
    Mongomery is a starter.
    Loston will have playing time.
    Ware will probably be starting RB.
    Taylor will be a starter as well.
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I'd say seven potential starters.

    Claiborne, Taylor, Loston, Montgomery, Ware, Shepard, and Brooks.
     
  3. Tiger_fan

    Tiger_fan Veteran Member

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    possible, but consider the following:

    1) Sam is returning from reconstructive knee surgery after he tore his right ACL vs Tennessee (he got chop blocked). but there have been high-profile players that came back from a torn ACL just fine: CB Antonio Cromartie, RB Willis Mcgahee, and RB Frank Gore all tore their ACLs while in college, and they all went on to have Pro Bowl careers in the NFL. also, RB Jamal Lewis, RB Edgerrin James, WR Jerry Rice, WR Braylon Edwards, and SS Roman Harper torn their ACLs while in the NFL, and each of them came back to become Pro Bowlers after their recovery

    2) i don't put too much stock in 40 times other than those clocked at the NFL Combine and Pro Days in front of NFL scouts. as a recruit Rivals.com had Sam with a 4.44, but Scout.com had him with a 4.65 (also NFL Draft Scout lists Sam with a low of 4.44 sec and a high of 4.68 sec). sometimes Rivals has 40 times that are verified (like at a NIKE camp), but that's not the case with the unverified 4.44 they have listed for Sam, which was probably the number submitted by Sam's high school coach

    3) someone who might be blazing fast as a recruit might lose their speed as their body develops and puts on muscle in college. for example, Terrance Toliver had a verified 4.47 forty as a recruit (did it at the Nike camp at Texas A&M). however, at the NFL Combine, he only ran a 4.52 (and then a 4.54 at LSU's Pro Day). On the flip side, when 1st Round pick Dwayne Bowe was a recruit, Rivals had him with a 4.53 unverified, but at LSU's Pro Day, he ran a 4.40. And then you have a guy like 1st Round pick Buster Davis who Rivals had with a 4.42 unverified as recruit, and then ran a 4.41 at LSU's Pro Day

    4) a fast 10 yard dash is more important for DE than a fast 40 yard dash (except on special teams). just because you have a faster 40 yard dash then the next guy doesn't mean your 10 yard dash is faster. for example, DeMarcus Ware ran a 4.53 forty at his Pro Day and a 4.56 forty at the Combine, which was a much faster forty time than the 4.70 forty that Mario Williams had at the Combine. however, even though Williams had a much slower forty time, he had a faster time in the 10 yard dash: Williams ran a 1.60 ten yard dash at the Combine, while Ware only ran a 1.62 at the Combine
     
  4. $TigerFan$

    $TigerFan$ Father of CajinKid

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    I would believe 237. I stood next to him this weekend at the MPA, and he didnt look too small. Seems like he added a little muscle since last year.
     
  5. LSUTyga73

    LSUTyga73 Football Connoisseur

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    That's a relief to hear that. Was hoping he didn't go on the JaMarcus Russell diet :rolleye33:
     
  6. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    Of course. The validity and timing (both long-term and short-term) have always been the problem with assessing 40 times. But I'm just wondering if he is a legit sub-4.5 DE, which is insane. Of course, it only has his weight in the 230's, whereas LSUSPorts.net has him at 245.

    The title of this thread makes me think of one of my favorite movie lines: "Aw, you got some speed, man?!" :D
     
  7. HalloweenRun

    HalloweenRun Founding Member

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    I sure like Mo Claiborne.
     
  8. laduckfan

    laduckfan Veteran Member

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    A DE with that speed is insane! I hope we can put a hat on him!

    I did this just for sh*ts and giggles.
    (From nfldraftscout.com- except for incoming freshman, which was mostly yahoo sports recruiting info)

    Oregon Starters with sub 4.5 speed

    Offense-
    RB LaMichael James 4.32
    RB Kenjon Barner 4.30
    WR Josh Huff 4.34

    Defense-
    SS Eddie Pleasant 4.44
    CB Anthony Gildon 4.46
    CB Cliff Harris 4.40
    FS John Boyett 4.49
    CB Brian Jackson 4.42 (Depending on the package that’s in)

    Starters at 4.5-
    WR Lavasier Tuinei 4.5
    QB Darron Thomas 4.5

    Other Sub 4.5 players-
    WR Tacoi Sumler 4.29 (Nike Elite Camp)
    WR Devon Blackmon 4.40
    TE Christian French 4.4 (Kid is 6'6" 230)
    WR Rashaan Vaughn 4.4
    RB De’Anthony Thomas 4.41
    CB Marcus Davis 4.38
    RB Lache Seastrunk 4.45
    RB Dontae Williams 4.49
    WR Justin Hoffman 4.49
    CB Scott Grady 4.48
    CB Avery Patterson 4.4
    CB Troy Hill 4.49
    CB Dior Mathis 4.48

    Total of 5 other players at 4.5
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I can't find that website, got a link? How does that site list LSU's team?

    And I don't trust any numbers on incoming freshmen, which is why I didn't list ours.

    The source that I used in post 3 lists the following Oregon players under 4.5

    starters:
    James 4.38
    Huff 4.40
    Gildon 4.45

    Sumler 4.33
    Patterson 4.36
    Dior 4.37
    Vaughn 4.37
    Seastrunk 4.40
    Blackmon 4.40
     
  10. laduckfan

    laduckfan Veteran Member

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    Here's the main page.

    College Football News, NFL Draft Scout - Powered by the Sports Xchange

    I believe they're affiliated with CBS Sports.

    Here's the page to search prospects. You go year to year up the class of 2015, then find your team for that year.

    NFL Draft Scout Rankings, From Prep to Pro Coverage - Powered by the Sports Xchange

    40 times aren't the end all be all in college football. I actually think shuffle times are a bit more telling. Look at Rocket Ismail. He could fly, but couldn't catch a cold standing in underwear in Alaska!
     

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