South Carolina shootings

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  1. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    A small baker has to make a gay wedding cake or be sued. Walmart can refuse to bake a cake with a Rebel Flag on it. BUT, they will make you a cake with an ISIS flag.
    A man in Louisiana is asking for an explanation from Walmart after his request for a Confederate flag cake at one of its bakeries was rejected, but a design with the ISIS flag was accepted.
    Chuck Netzhammer said he ordered the image of the Confederate flag on a cake with the words, "Heritage Not Hate," on Thursday at a Walmart in Slidell, Louisiana. But the bakery denied his request, he said. At some point later, he ordered the image of the ISIS flag that represents the terrorist group.
    "I went back yesterday and managed to get an ISIS battleflag printed. ISIS happens to be somebody who we're fighting against right now who are killing our men and boys overseas and are beheading Christians," Netzhammer said.

    https://gma.yahoo.com/walmart-apolo...nfederate-180928235--abc-news-topstories.html
     
  2. old school

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    We don't know if individually they were good or bad people, but I believe like BengalB that they were a product of their time. It is kind of ironic that Grant owned slaves. I'm sure most people that owned slaves didn't give it a second thought because that is all they knew since they were a child. They may even have thought themselves a good person if they were kind to their slaves and treated them well. Slavery had been going on for thousands of years across the globe before the civil war. Was every person that ever owned a slave in the history of the world an evil person? I doubt it. I think some were evil and some weren't.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Grant technically owned a slave, but it was a slave his wife inherited with her Missouri farm in 1854 and Grant set free in 1859. Interestingly, General Lee's slaves were also inherited by his wife along with Arlington Plantation in 1857. He freed them in 1862. Both men had been professional US Army officers regularly posted to frontier forts with no need for slaves until they found themselves landowners by spousal inheritance. And both soon found themselves in charge of major armies and would never return to farming.
     
  4. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    You are probably aware of the fact that most of the slaves were not captured by white slaver hunting parties. They were bought from African's who raided other tribes and captured the residents and not only used them as their own slaves but sold them to the white slavers. If your ancestors were from a tribe that owned and sold other Africans as slaves how do you feel? Were they all evil or were they a product of their time and culture?
     
  5. old school

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    I was aware of that claim and it rings true if you think about it. What most don't know is that black on black slavery, for lack of a better term, and child labor exists currently in Ghana and the Ivory Coast to produce Cocoa.
     
  6. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Had Lincoln not pledged to invade Virginia, Lee and Jackson's VMI would have been fighting for the Union.
     
  7. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    And Lee, being a better general than Grant, would likely have been the supreme commander for the Union Army and may have been elected president of the USA instead of Grant and his face would be on the $50 bill.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Lee was offered command of the Union Army but Lee declined when Virginia seceeded.
     
  9. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    He also declined the Confederacy too at first and denounced it. Had Lincoln not invaded Virginia or planned to, Bobby Lee might be remembered differently like Bengal said. Back then your state was your country first, and still to this day there are still more people who are more loyal to their state than their country. Is that so wrong? I'm a Louisianian first and American second, at least that's the way I see it. What do I have in common with some New Yorker other than the Stars and Stripes? I have a lot in common with people from my home state.
     
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  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I don't think so. I think very few people put allegiance to a state over national allegiance. Before the Civil War that was very true. Now it is distinctly not so. Before that war, people would say that the United States are a nation. After the war people say that the United States is a nation.
     

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