South Carolina shootings

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, I'm with you there.

    Incidentally, I was on the road last week and visiting friends in Columbia, South Carolina. Quite unexpectedly, my GPS led me right by the State House just as NPR was reporting on the situation and during the funeral that was going on there. There were lines of people around the block in 100-degree, heat-advisory weather. Fortunately there were people going around handing out bottles of water.

    Traffic stopped me right in from of the flag, which is not on the capitol dome anymore, but instead beside the monument to Confederate war dead which is beside the street. I had envisioned some giant Confederate flag, but it is actually a small one, about 3 foot square. I do consider such a monument to be an appropriate place for the flag that the soldiers died under. But perhaps the stone soldier and his flag should be moved off the capitol grounds to a park or war cemetery where its context would be historical rather than political.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I agree and I hope the distractions don't mask this important issue.
     
  3. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Today everybody agrees that slavery was wrong. Without today;s instant media and TV it's hard to know the true character of those who lived in the past but I can't paint them with the same brush I would use today. IF Washington, Jefferson, Monroe, and even Lee and Grant had grown up in the 20th century I feel pretty sure they would all be abhorrent at at idea of slavery.
     
  4. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    how about the dumb ass woman, who got up the pole to remove it.
     
  5. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    possibly, but we will never know.
    I just cant go there with you over the idea that they werent bad people, based on what I know, they were. The time period has a lot do with it , so I definitely wont dismiss that.
    All of that is in the past and the flag debate has distracted from the unity that has been seen in South Carolina.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    That happened the day after I left. But it would have been easy. The flag pole is right on the ground and not that tall. I'm surprised that they didn't spray the pole with Pam. That's what we did in high school because Tioga was always stealing the goddamn flag.
     
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  7. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    My ancestors were forced to walk the trail of tears and were for the most part eradicated by Americans under the American flag. Why is it insensitive to have a confederate flag bumper sticker (which I don't) and not insensitive to parade the American Flag? If it doesn't both

    People need to stop looking for shit to be offended by.
    So 81 years of wrong is cool because they corrected it? The south corrected it too even though it took bullets and blood and being dragged kicking and screaming.
     
  8. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Because the North won under the American Flag.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    True, but we have also taken steps to improve things for Native Americans, too. Most belong to tribes now considered to have a degree of sovereign independence from the US, yet fully US citizens.
     
  10. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    And they get all that casino money. Kind of a way of scalping the white man. And woman and black and latino and asian as well.
     

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