South Carolina shootings

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  1. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    Well. Whites are killed by blacks. Blacks kill blacks. Whites kill Hispanics. Hispanics kill etc.

    Some for race. Some for shoes. Some because someone boned their wife.

    People will be racist, but our society today, IMO, we are not a society of racist bigots.

    We live in a great place. Everyone and I mean everyone has ample opportunity here.

    I understand the past fuckin sucked, but there is far too much attention on the past and not enough on moving forward.
     
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  2. HalloweenRun

    HalloweenRun Founding Member

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    I give up.
     
  3. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Yes, the past sucked. The very idea of slavery is horrible. But if it hadn't been for slavery the vast majority of black people now lining in the USA wouldn't be here. They would still be living in Africa in poverty, disease and ignorence. That's if they were born at all. If there parents didn't die before giving birth due to some disease or senseless war get hacked to death with a machete. Or if they had been conceived they might have not survived childbirth or their childhood.

    I'm not defending slavery but for present day black Americans their ancestors unwillingly suffered so that they could live in the land of the free with the same legal rights as anybody. How many black Americans would willingly go back to their roots? Not many I would think. Not many white American's would willingly go back to their mideval European roots either.
     
  4. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Yep, and that is exactly the problem. A tragedy was committed and now ALL the focus is on things that won't amount to a tiny hill of beans. If they tear down the statues and take down the flags, is that really going to make any of the black folks feel any better? I mean really?

    I heard the voice of one of the victims either mother or daughter, friend, I don't know, someone and she was crying and obviously talking to roof and she said "you hurt me, you took something from me and I will never get to see her, or hold her every again...but I forgive you" Now that is how you move the fuck on.

    You are right @LSUpride123 we are not a nation of bigots and supremacist, are there some? Sure, but they don't define our society and its high time people understand that and it really pisses me off that that is the image that is being projected.

    Civil War about slaves, okay. Damnit, one side got that one wrong. We've come a long way since then and people can take down all the statues, crumble the mountains, burn the flags and re-write the damn history books but at the end of the day they can never undo it. The shit happened, damn thing ended 150 years ago, the longer we dwell on something that we absolutely cannot change the longer we have to wait to begin to make real progress.
     
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  5. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    I would but only if I could party with Charles Martel. Dude was a rock star!
     
  6. HalloweenRun

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    I said I give up, but will share this paragraph from the NC State University Web site on secession It refutes the hateful rhetoric spewed by many.

    Just because a lot of folks are concrete thinkers, it doesn't make the issue concrete The inability to understand complex thought or issues simply means they don't and probably can't understand.

    "If Unionists won the General Assembly convention and North Carolina was to remain in the Union, why did they secede? The Unionists victory showed that North Carolinians did not wish to leave the Union. The problem was the Unionists’ argument in the convention hinged on Lincoln not using force against the Southern states in rebellion. Then Lincoln began to build up the federal army to crush the Southern rebellion and he called upon troops from all the states in the Union, which included North Carolina. North Carolina refused to send troops that would be used to fight their neighbors. On April 12, 1861 shots were fired at Fort Sumter in Charleston, South Carolina. North Carolinians were outraged that Lincoln used the army against the Confederate States of America which they did not believe he would do. Even many Unionists were livid about the attack at Fort Sumter; many felt that Lincoln had betrayed them and their trust. This action crushed the Unionists argument that Lincoln would not force the Southern states back into the Union and reopened the topic for discussion. On May 20, 1861 the General Assembly hosted a convention in Raleigh where they passed the secession ordinance.[1] North Carolina had now joined the other Southern states in a rebellion against the Union even though only months before the state had been overwhelmingly pro-Union."

    OBTW, North Carolina, which did not secede to preserve slavery, lost more men than any other state.

    Again don't take the easy out and ring the racist bell. No doubt the civil war was about slavery. No doubt slavery was and remains today terribly wrong. And I fully support taking that stupid flag down.

    I just object to irresponsible blanket statements which may be convenient, but not factual. Regardless of the subject.
     
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  7. Herb

    Herb Founding Member

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    The only flag the confederacy should be remembered for:

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  8. LSUDad

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    Should they get ride of the movie and book, Gone With the Wind?
     
  9. kcal

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    "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
     
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  10. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    fire them and find some who can spell descendants.


    good paragraph nonetheless.

    ignorance.
     
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