Now Mitch Landrieu is getting rid of the Lee Circle Statue in New Orleans. What the hell is going on here?
How many of those people were being shot at though. I think I remember them doing a simulation of the Virginia Tech thing and found it would have been almost impossible for someone to stop it unless that person already had a gun drawn and ready to fire.
Eye-wash. Streets named after Confederate folk are next. Not sure but would agree with you there. I didn't realize you meant in the same scenario. I thought you meant normal church settings/congregations.
This is such a smokescreen. Well played by the GOP though. May even help them come election time with left leaning moderates and black voters.
Cho killed 33 people at VTech. Don't you think if somebody had a gun they could have shot him at least by #20?
A little more: http://thehayride.com/2015/06/robert-e-lee-was-a-far-far-better-man-than-mitch-landrieu/
Having read the entire thread so far, I want to commend everyone on an exemplary civil discussion. Here is my take on what needs to discussed and decided on as a society. Let me start off by saying that I am a pro-capital punishment, anti-abortion, slightly left of center fiscal conservative. 1. I've read that 1% of gun dealers are responsible for something like 70% of the guns recovered from crime scenes. If this is true, the NRA and gun advocates need to be part of the solution and help do what it takes to get these gun dealers out of business and - if appropriate - in jail. Instead, the NRA opposes ANY attempts to allow law enforcement to track guns at all. I might have the stats slightly wrong, but I think those are pretty close. 2. Because I drive a car (considered a dangerous product), I am required to to take driver education training, obtain a license, buy liability insurance, and show up at the DMV every 5 years to prove I can still see well enough to continue driving and every show up every 2 years to prove my vehicle is still road worthy in order to get my driver's license and registration renewed. IMHO, we need to get to a point in society where it is reasonable and expected that we do the same with firearms. Why can't we allow law abiding citizens the right to own guns but require them to be brought in periodically for inspection / re-registration? 3. As Red alluded to, there are several groups of people that are disqualified from gun ownership: Convicted felons whose civil rights have not been 100% restored by the state they live in. Anyone convicted of domestic violence. Anyone involuntarily committed to a mental hospital Dishonorably discharged veterans (I don't agree with this one at all) Fugitives from justice People with a history of drug addiction Here is where gun rights advocates might sharply disagree: If certain people are disqualified from owning guns, the state has the right to confiscate any guns found in their possession. Additionally, if a gun owner becomes a member of one of the groups above, they should be required to surrender or sell their guns. 4. When a private citizen sells a firearm to another private citizen, that transaction should be required to get recorded just as selling an automobile requires the sale to be properly notorized and registered. 5. I think gun owners and gun dealers should be required to carry liability insurance just like car owners are. 6. Gun dealers need to be just as liable for who they sell their wares to as a liquor store owner or a bar owner. If they sell a product that has the potential to seriously harm or kill people, there should be a level of liability and responsibility attached. My points here fall under the "enforce the laws already on the books" or are modest administrative proposals that do not infringe on any law abiding citizen's right to own guns. At the end of the day, we need to have a mechanism to realistically enforce the laws we already have and have.
