SOPA and PIPA

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  1. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    you are scared of my point because it destroys you.

    if you have a book, and i plan to buy it, but you loan it to me, the writer loses income. according to you, this is a problem. but you cant admit this, or your argument falls apart.

    i am not concerned with artist income, i am concerned with maximizing the free flow of information, so these issues about maintaing profit margins and revenue strams do not concern me. i am for a democratization of information. society functions best when information flows freely. i want more people to read, to have access to as much information as possible, to trade what they have freely. you want to protect corporations and their lobbyists that push their agendas down our throats to maintain outdated revenue models.
     
  2. mancha

    mancha Alabama morghulis

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    You want free music.
     
  3. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    that isnt an argument.

    and i use spotify, i dont steal music. and i dont steal books, i borrow them from the library or buy them on kindle.

    red says there is a difference between owning and borrowing. well, there isnt, in terms of enjoying media. i consume something just the same whether i own it or not. if i borrow a book, i profit (meaning i am entertained) just as much, even though i pay the artist nothing.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You have no point and no case. The law destroys you. Tough chit.
     
  5. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    As you have destroyed him throughout this thread. Well done.
     
  6. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i have been talking about what works best for society. i dont care about the laws, nobody does. we, the pirates, are winning, and we cannot be stopped. we can have whatever we want, when we want it, for free. the "tough chit" is for whoever disagrees.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Yes, you are a pirate, a thief, an anarchist, an immoral opportunist, an atheist, and an iconoclast.

    I am a creator.
     
  8. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    yes, and even though we pirates could steal what you create, you remain employed.

    i was watching an interview with a musician yesterday. he was talkin about how kids get his music. he said "i dont care how you get my muic, i want you to come dance at my shows". and this is the attitude of the future.

    now music will mostly be free like network tv or spotify. books will sell and loan to digital readers for reasonable prices, with more money for writers and less for marketing and distribution.

    comedians like louie CK will continue self-distributing their works, and making good money. the media conglomerates will ose power. it will be good for everyone. art will be better, more accessible, and more profitable for the artists. the only folks that will not like are the media companies that had technologically based monopolies on distribution. they sucked anyways. enjoy your future, friends.
     
  9. mobius481

    mobius481 Registered Member

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    If people steal Louie CK's work on pirate sites then it won't matter who distributes it. He still won't make any money right. Or are you arguing that he will distribute and it will be at such an inexpensive cost ($5), that people who would normally pirate the show will actually pay for it?
     
  10. martin

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    he just did distribute his work himself, lots of people took it for free, some paid. he did it himself, so he got all of the money, and he landed a new TV show because the distribution of his work makes him more popular. he bypassed the media companies, made money all for himself while promoting himself. he now makes far more for standup gigs, and he was given a network show where he has unprecedented creative authority.

    How Louis C.K. Cut Out Networks, Used Them to Earn $1M -- and Gave Half Away | Reuters
     

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