So who thinks we're actually running Gary Crowton's offense?

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  1. CajunPunk

    CajunPunk TF's Resident Realist

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    The problem is Crowton is mediocre and Les Miles hasn't a clue so...

    GC + LM = clueless mediocrity

    yikes
     
  2. Richdog

    Richdog 02 Cecilia alumni champs

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    I don't either. Hire Coordinators and let them do their jobs. Stop trying to be Jerry Jones and run everything.
    If he doesn't like the offense/defense they run, it's simple...DON'T HIRE THEM!
     
  3. geauxgeauxhon

    geauxgeauxhon blah blah blah

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    To be fair, we backed into the BCSNCG in '03 as well. And that team in '07 didn't coach itself, it played well some games and displayed some of the negative hallmarks of a CLM team at LSU in others. I will not diminish any criticism I have against CLM by refusing to give him any credit ever, and one reason LSU won in '07 was because CLM out coached the hell out of Tressel in the big game.

    To the point of this thread, I've heard people say the current O isn't like anything CG has ever run before, and I've heard people say this isn't like anything CLM did before at Okie State either. So where does that put us?
     
  4. CajunPunk

    CajunPunk TF's Resident Realist

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    How?

    Oklahoma backed into that one, not us. We won the SEC Championship by drumming UGA. Oklahoma lost their conference championship by losing to KSU, and THEY were backdoored into it.

    It should have been USC and LSU, which is why there is so much animosity between both schools.
     
  5. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    i agree it should have been us all along.

    but think back to championship weekend in '03.
    there were several games that HAD to go our way to get in.
    if ANY of them went the other, we don't get to the Sugar that year.

    very similar to what happened, just the '03 games weren't as hyped as the '07 games were.
     
  6. Berge

    Berge Founding Member

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    Sorry to burst your bubble, but this is Crowton's scheme.

    The problem? It hasn't worked for 2 years.

    His scheme is running the same play out of a formation a few times. That is why the formation changes just about every play. The idea is to make the defense think they know what is coming, and then surprise them later. This is the big plays people think of: the long Shep run, the PA pass for a TD, and the Williams option run mentioned in '07.

    Next week, pay attention to how many different formations LSU lines up in on a single drive. Usually you won't see the same one twice, unless we are at the goal line.

    However, the only way this works, is through long drives, and 70-80 play games. It requires execution on the setup plays. Key word: EXECUTION.

    LSU only had 1 drive of longer than 8 plays, and it went for 12 plays, 21 yards (specifically, 43 forward and 22 backward). Our first scoring drive went for 8 plays, 30 yards. Exactly what Crowton wants.

    He WANTS third downs. With proper execution, 3rd down can be an OC's biggest weapon.

    Remember the first drive? 3rd and 2. UNC stacks the box, and LSU throws a short pass to Shepard. He drops it. As much as I was yelling to just run it that play, the playcall worked. He was open for a first down, but the pass was high and he dropped it.

    This team could not sustain drives, whether it was from dropped passes, penalties, fumbles, or Jefferson throwing it to the man 5 yards short of the first down.

    THIS IS CROWTON'S OFFENSE. It only works with good ones though.
     
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  7. CajunPunk

    CajunPunk TF's Resident Realist

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    I don't remember that. From what I remember, we beat Alabama, stomp Arky, stomp UGA, and we were heavily favored to get in. We were #3 when we beat UGA and were #2 after. Michigan and Ohio State were at #4 and #5 at that point. It was OU 1, LSU 2, USC 3. Ohio State and Michigan didn't/don't play conference championships.

    We got in fair and square.
     
  8. geauxgeauxhon

    geauxgeauxhon blah blah blah

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    Hawaii had to either win or lose a game...I forget, but they had to do one or the other for the BCS formula (the SOS part especially) to get LSU into the game. It was supposed to be USC and Oklahoma that game (according to the hype and expectations), with LSU being left out at third, an no one would have bitched about it except for LSU fans. SEC conference winners were not guaranteed a spot at the big one then, and LSU was not as nearly as hyped by the media as the other two teams...and if we had not made it, we wouldn't have gotten the AP trophy, that's for sure. I DO remember sitting up all night waiting for the Hawaii score, because without it we didn't play for the big one. And I remember everyone being shocked at our luck getting in, because the Hawaii game's outcome was expected to be different.

    I'll look it up. But we sure as hell backed into the '03 game too.

    Edited to add: here's a link that explains what happened...even with their loss in the championship game, Oklahoma was supposed to go to the BCSCG along with USC according to the BCS formula. Then Syracuse beat Notre Dame, and then even better for us, Hawaii lost to Boise State. And LSU got in based on a hair-thin margin over USC (not Oklahoma) because of our SOS...and if IIRC, the BCS formula was changed the next year to avoid the SOS shenannigans, because SOS is considered 'biased' (unlike human polls :rolleye33:).

    BCS Guru: Ten Years of BCS: 2003
     
  9. CajunPunk

    CajunPunk TF's Resident Realist

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    Hmmm... Hawaii wasn't ranked all year that year. Must have been one awful sos formula.

    Either way, the '03 team losing early to Florida compared to the '07 team losing in quadthousandth overtime to both Kentucky and Arkansas isn't the same. The '03 team would have dismantled the '07 team, in my opinion, on defense and discipline alone. But that's neither here nor there. The point is that we got better after every game, were steam rolling, and playing very, very disciplined football.

    In '07, it started great, but we lost a lot of steam, lost two games and gave up a lot of points before someone broke a mirror and LSU got into the NC game.

    In '03, had the formula kept us out, we would have been cheated. (Most would agree)
    In '07, had the stars not aligned, we would have deserved whatever bowl bid based on the loss at home so late in the season and 2 total losses. (Most would have to agree)

    Totally different to me, but I'm sure someone will disagree.

    Either way, I'm glad we got both NC's.
     
  10. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    SoS was an actual component of the BCS back then.
    don't remember specifics other than Boise needing to beat Hawaii.

    but it was pointed out before the games started that Saturday.
    we needed 4-5 games to go our way that day. if they didn't USC was gonna go the the title game.

    they all went our way, and we won the crystal.
    very similar to '07 when every game went like we needed it to.
     

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