Nice to see that you learned about the multi quote feature. Now, I N E V E R said Jefferson was better in almost every category. As I stated in my originally misquoted post, I made all these arguments last season defending him. However, you simply CANNOT look past the INTs. It is foolish to do so...damn foolish. That is the single most glaring statistic about Lee. Not just INTs...INTs for TDs. - I never put words in your mouth. I said "Your posts earlier in the thread were bent towards Lee playing a lot...to the point it seemed you think he'll compete to start". Doesn't look like I said you called for Lee to start. Eventually, it's gotta be a little embarassing for you when you keep getting called out for misquoting me.:rolleye33: - To answer the final question, the only reason Lee can't be a better QB than JJ this season is because he's hardly gonna play. However, as we all know, the backup is often seen as the better player by armchair QBs...so maybe you have a point there. Lee very well MAY be seen as the better QB this year...in, er, oh shet! What year is it again?? Oh...that's right...you reminded me it's 2009. Many thanks.:insane: You are proving something more and more with every post. (And I know you didn't intend this comment for me...since you learned how to multi quote) Are you sure it was the defense that gave up all 50 points??:shock: Seems like one of the two INTs Lee threw was returned for a score. By the way, we lost by 30 some odd points. I just don't think Lee would have won the UF game had the defense held UF under 50...or 40...or 30. JMO. And the posts I've seen about him...save one or two...say the exact same thing you're arguing. They're just tempered a bit. It's not silly crap for the most part. Most people, myself included, think Lee is the backup. Right now, I'd say he's #2. That MAY change if Shep turns out to be a fast learner...but right now, Lee is #2. I would honestly rather see him back there if JJ went down in the first game than I would Shep...at this moment. But every time he dropped back to pass, my heart would stop. - Bottom line Red...you could've handled your retort a little better, by 1)Making sure your quoting the right person in your attack 2)Not calling everyone a damn fool 3)Not questioning everyone's fanhood if they disagree with your POV - You're not really Yosemite Sam. Put the blazing guns down every now and then before you post.
I couldn't help myself. I went back and looked at stats from the UF game last season. I noticed a couple of things. 1)I was right. JLee threw a pick 6...and another pick. 2)Technically, JLee was the better than Tebow. --- NET YARDS PASSING 241 210 Completions-Attempts-Int 25-41-2 14-21-0 Average Per Attempt 5.9 10.0 Average Per Completion 9.6 15.0 Passing Touchdowns 2 2 --- Lee's stats are on the left. As this illustration proves, Lee threw for more yards, had nearly double the completions, and threw the same number of touchdowns as Tebow. Hell, how did that Tebow guy win the Heisman??:huh: (Please pay no attn to the little number in red that shows Lee threw 2 picks and Tebow threw 0. That isn't an important stat.)
Correction. I can. You can't. That wasn't the question. Try reading it again. I said, why can't Lee be better than he was last year? And why can't Jefferson also be a victim of rookie mistakes this year? The idea is that Jefferson may not be as good as he was in best game, and Lee may not be as bad as his worst game. So why are you taking it on? I'm going easy. SabanFan is likely to rip him a new one. So do I. You are making assumptions about what you imagine I'm thinking. I've stated repeatedly that Lee is the backup. The objection is to writing Lee off as a quarterback and not being able to see past that INT stat and see a basically good QB that just wasn't ready to start last year. But can I see that you just don't understand. It's too bad, really.
1)You shouldn't. I won't. 2)Sorry, misread the question. Thought you were asking why Lee can't be better than JJ this season. 3)Can you Puhlease find one post where I said you think J Lee should be the starter? I cleared this up in the prior post when I quoted myself to show you that you misread my post from earlier. When you misread something, you should do like I did in #2. And get off the poor JLee train. I never...ever...said he can't redeem himself. Never...ever...said he's a no good bum that shouldn't sniff the field again. I have consistently (for nearly a year now) supported him, and still do. I stated in this very thread that I hope he is able to step in his senior season and light it up. Not only that, but I believe he CAN. I just happen to realize that, not only was he not ready to start LAST year...he ain't ready to start THIS year (2009, right??) either. The reason?? Someone beat him out...and it wasn't close. Again, show me ONE illustration of where I "wrote Lee off as a QB". As far as the INT thing...stupid to look past that. I looked past the first 3 or 4 returned for TDs...and didn't give up on him even after that. I didn't think we had anyone better. But I was wrong. You are wrong to think that the INTs don't matter. They absolutely cost us games last year, although not the UF game. That was a blowout that we were never in...and any attempt of a comeback was rendered null and void due to....INTS!!!
When you kept bringing this starting business up and when you repeated that I "seemed" to be suggesting that Lee start when I'd already said that Jefferson had earned the start . . . well, it appeared to be misleading to me. And I don't really mean to suggest that the interceptions be ignored. I'm suggesting that Lee's many very good stats have been forgotten by some folks in the shadow of those interceptions. I do understand the points you are making. I beg you to consider mine, as well. You were defending the guy whose comments that I had an issue with. That's all. It's nothing personal, Fish. Sorry if it seemed that way.
Edited because I felt bad after I read Red's last post. Red, you might consider a visit to the search feature to see what you were saying last season. I recommend the thread entitled "Lee pick sixes".
To paraphrase. No freshman (RS or otherwise) is allowed to have a terrible season and bounce back at LSU. It's either hack it or hit the road. Got it. Good luck, Shep. But if it goes bad, Texas A&M will take you in...
It's not really like that...but it is GOOD to know that it almost is like that. Lee had a bad year. (Understatement of the millenium) JJ steps in. If he has a bad year, maybe Shep of Garrett steps in. If they have a bad year, Zach Lee? I dunno. But I do hope we never have all of our eggs in one basket again like we did before last season. It's nice to have options...and we didn't have options last year. - The ultimate would be to never have to start a freshman again...ever...at QB.
Broken record - but two things are entirely possible this season that some folks just cannot bring themselves to imagine. 1. Jarrett Lee could be LSU's starting QB by SEC play. 2. Jordan Jefferson does not have to sustain a serious injury for that to happen. Do I think either of those things will happen? Or do I even hope they'll happen? No - not only am I a big JJ fan, but I'm a former Destrehan OL :lol:. I want the kid to start until he gets drafted. It just crushes me to see so much (IMO) overreaction to J. Lee's season. Again, just my opinion, but the anti-Lee crowd ("he should never see the field again") lacks perspective and doesn't remember much SEC football history.
It's probably best that we all drop that part of the discussion...it's not really on topic. Also, I probably overreacted to the fact that I thought Red was singling me out as being the "Anti Lee" ringleader, and I still think I'm being thought of as being "Anti Lee". I'm not. There is no "he should never see the field again" crowd that I can find. I think one person said that, and then I somehow got brought into that side of the discussion. I didn't say that...and don't think that. If you go back and read my post that apparently caused the stir, I stated that JJ is way ahead of Lee at this point, and that is fact. If it was not, then Lee would be the starter, and he is not. Also, I stated that it is foolish to overlook the INTs from last season, and it is. You cannot sit here and say his stats are as good or better than JJs, then leave out the one stat that is his glaring weakness. The other stats are close, except for yardage, attempts, and completions. The percentage isn't all that different, but the yardage, attempts, and completions are higher because we were always coming from behind...greatly due to pick sixes. The one thing where Jefferson leads is in the INT department...and he leads big. - Bottom line...Lee is not the starter...JJ is. As I have stated, if for some unforeseen reason JJ is unable to start, (poor play, injury, etc...), I would want Lee in there in his place AT THIS MOMENT. All that could change depending on the development of the other QBs (RS basically), or the lack of development of Lee. Either way, I don't want to see Lee this season, because I want JJ to come in, excel, lead, stay healthy, and win. But if necessary, I would cheer Lee when he takes the field and wish him the best...for somewhat selfish reasons, but also because I wanna see him redeem himself...for himself. Would go a long way in the development of his LIFE. - Back on topic... As far as I know, the competition in the SEC West is as follows: Miss St Ole Miss Arky Bama AU and :lsup:
