So who is the competition in the SEC West

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Not a chance. I've seen too many anointed ones fail to live up to expectations and I've seen too many underestimated players turn out to be quite good.

    Wanting Lee to "never see the field" is as damn-fool a notion as I've ever seen. LSU needs every one of its 85 players. Do you know how many times LSU has lost a starting quarterback to injury in the rugged SEC? About every other year. Lee is only a sophomore and we may need him badly before he is through here.
     
  2. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    Im not anointing anyone with anything. But the fact of the matter is if Lee is better, Miles would have named him the starter out of spring practice. Miles does put the best players on the field right?
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Jefferson has earned the start, that ain't the issue here. My problem is with the football non-experts and phony tiger fans who say that Lee "better not see the field" and can't play football. That's just BS. Statistically Jefferson and Lee are closely matched, both are sophomores that will continue to get better, and most importantly, Jefferson is not indestructable. We may need Lee very badly before the season is over. We lost two starting quarterbacks to injury last year, does anyone but me remember that? LSU is a better team with depth at quarterback. My issue is with the damn fools who want Lee gone, not with Jefferson starting.
     
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    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    well yea they are damn fools, they fail to remember how Lee was thrown in the fire because of one who I wont mention being an idiot and thug. We are fortunate to have a backup with that kind of experience.
     
  5. ok awesome

    ok awesome geaux

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    There is no excuse for the way Lee played. Look at this list from the last 10 years or so...

    Players who stepped in without a lot of experience and played well:

    Davey
    Mauck
    Russell
    Flynn
    Perriloux
    Jefferson

    Players who stepped in and did not play well:

    Randall
    Clausen
    Lee


    Mauck and Perriloux both came in with limited experience in the SEC Championship game and piloted the team to victory. Lee, on the other hand, was incredibly streaky, going through phases where he simply could not find a receiver, or worse, was incredibly careless with the ball, often in areas of the field where you HAVE to be careful with the ball (in the flats, outs on the weak side, etc) or you will be giving up pick 6s.

    You can blame his play on lack of experience if you want, but the fact is that Jarrett Lee simply does not have "it." If you think otherwise, you are just plain wrong. If you think he can develop "it," I admire your optimism, but I disagree. You can call me a "damn fool" if you want to, but you are just wrong.
     
  6. LSUMASTERMIND

    LSUMASTERMIND Founding Member

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    So that means we should count on Shepard to be the back up. A true freshman with no college experience?

    Lee was terrible alot last year, but he showed flashes of what he can be with confidence and coaching. Im not one to take up for the guy like he is all world, but I feel comfortable with having him as our back up with the kind of running game we have and the action he saw last year.

    I do blame alot of his ills on lack of experience. Freshmen just dont light it up in the SEC, not even Tebow did that, he ran most of the time.
     
  7. Fishhead

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    It's very obvious you are calling me out as a "damn fool". I would expect with such a bold (stupid) statement, you'll be willing to find the post from me that says Lee "better not see the field" or where I stated I want him to "never see the field". If you got that from someone else's post, quote them...not me...amigo. :thumb:
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    Your posts earlier in the thread were bent towards Lee playing a lot...to the point it seemed you think he'll compete to start. Not gonna happen...UNLESS Jefferson gets hurt. Lee is the backup. Hopefully, JJ will have a brilliant next two years, and if he chooses to go preaux early, Lee will have the chance to redeem himself with an outstanding senior season.
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    The most "damn fool a notion" I've seen posted in this thread is actually from YOU, where you say we have to "look past the interceptions" from Lee. :insane: Again, stupid. You say Jefferson and Lee are statistically close, but you don't even acknowledge the one glaring statistic that makes THAT a damn fool notion. When Jefferson starts throwing multiple pick sixes that cost us games, let me know...and I'll man up. Deal?:cool:
     
  8. ok awesome

    ok awesome geaux

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    If Shepard shows in practice that he is reliable with the football, has control of the playbook, and has the confidence of his teammates, I see no reason why I would not put him ahead of Lee on the depth chart. I mean, in the end, he can't really be much worse than Lee was last year.
     
  9. Fishhead

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    And threw the ball out of bounds when nothing was there...
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    And yes, Lee was a freshman...but he was an RS Frosh with a year in the system. Again, even late in the season, he hadn't learned from the mistakes.
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    Definition of insanity-Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.
     
  10. lsudolemite

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    This was a big problem I noticed as the season progressed with Lee as the starter. While the team presented a unified front to the sports media, said everyone was behind him, etc. I remember when Lee went down and JJ got the start seeing an interview in the Reveille from a player who said, unambiguously, that Jefferson was "the leader of this team."

    I see bold statements like this, combined with lackadaisical play from the defense and receivers, and it don't take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together and realize that a lot of guys were never on board with Lee as the starter. I think he has a solid college career as a backup here at LSU, and he has a lot of heart, but he doesn't have that "it" factor to be an SEC starter week in and week out.
     

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