I’d be pretty happy with that, I’d guess a lot of people would. There’d still be negativity, but there’d be at least a moderate optimism around the program. I think it would help land a damn strong 2019 class.
I can fully understand someone's distrust if there is a history of failure and lying. I'm not privy to any detailed insight in this regard, other than the failure part in his stint as OM HC. If that is what people's distrust is based on, then they should distrust many successful coaches who overcame prior coaching failures. If you have personal, detailed insight about lying and deceit, then I have no contention with your stance. I have heard others allude to this, and not just on this board, so it may be grounded. Since I don't, I am holding out hope and optimism that he can grow from his prior mistakes (don't we all?; don't the greatest lessons come out of our failures?), and lead LSU to prominence. Regarding his own words about competing for championships, and not rebuilding, those are not set in stone. He was referring to the immediate team he was inheriting w/an experienced QB, RB, and solid defense. And, he was essentially right except for the one thing he was semi-forced into, and that was hiring Canada. We shouldn't have lost to Troy, and MSU was a debacle (no doubt the result of the peak of conflict between Oeaux and Canada). Other than that, we were in the Bama game, and should have beat ND. 9-4 could have easily been 11-2. Football teams are dynamic, and this upcoming season has our offense very inexperienced w/a new OC/scheme being implemented, so our Achilles heel will be our offense. He's having to "rebuild" this year partly due to CLMs failures in recruiting philosophy and losing his nuts after 2011. It is what it is regardless of what he said 18 months ago. Lastly, you pray he figures it out before we are completely irrelevant. You say this 18mos. in after a 9-4 season. It doesn't sound like you are sincere in giving him much rope, and it doesn't sound like you will acknowledge any realm of success that is less than a NC. I sure hope he does succeed, b/c if does, then that means that LSU has succeeded. I am not rooting for his failure, but I don't distrust his character as much as others, so maybe I'm optimistic... and naive.
If Alleva offered you that contract, you'd take it too. Not sure how that makes CEO the bad guy. Was he sposed to say, "Nah B. I'm only worth $2.5M with a 3yr guarantee?" Dont know about the lying but HC is a political position. They say lots of sheet that aint coming true. Remember Lame Kiffen's UTenn inaugural?
This feels to me very Hallman-esque. I don't think he has a plan or even a clue how to lead. I don't want him to fail but my bullshit detector goes off the charts when he speaks. He's the opposite of Les miles regarding character. Also: -Worst loss to Mississippi state in program history -Loss to Troy, first Sun Belt loss in program history -Signed the worst ranked recruiting class in 16 years -Fired handpicked OC after one season after meddling in the offense when he said he wouldn't. -Hired a career TE coach, who didn't want the job, as OC said he would hire the best coaches available. NC or bust? How about improving upon the last coach as he was hired to do. And he was the recruiting coordinator for Les was he not. Expectations keep getting lowered and that's how one knows he's not the guy. Lsu deserves a better coach than the worst coach in ole miss history. Yes his record there is completely relevant. Yes I pray he proves me wrong. I just don't believe in the guy and if you listen closely you'll catch the contradictions because he can't keep up with his own bullshit. These are simply MY gut feelings. I'm not trying to convince anyone anything or change any opinion. I just know I'd hire Les back in a new york second and I wanted him gone. But who knows I'm on the same side as taint here and that is usually wrong. So there's hope.
I thought he deserved a shot at some point. Then I looked closer and didn't like what I saw or heard. I'll have little patience with this dude unless he improves things soon.
Fair enough. To be clear, I'm not an Orgeron "lover", I just want to try to stay fair-minded and give the man a chance. If he fails, and it's clear, then I'll be ready to call that and move on. In the interim, I just hear a lot of anticipatory negativity about things that just haven't occurred yet. The points you make are much more glaring if you anticipate with negativity, than if he was some heralded guy that everyone loves. For example, firing a coach he didn't mesh with as HC would not only get glossed over, but people would say "dude doesn't put up with bullshit; you get canned if you don't perform under Coach ____". I seem to recall Saban going through quite a few coordinators. Perspective is key with this issue, methinks. I hear what you are saying about the MSU and Troy losses, but I group those together as being the peak of coaching chemistry problems that have seemingly been fixed now. Would CLM have handled that better? I'm sure he would of - loyalty and chemistry with his coaches was a strength (and weakness) of his, and he probably wouldn't have allowed it to affect the performance on the field as much. In the end, though, I think Orgeron was clear in his mind what he needed to do, and to his credit he did it-->got rid of Canada. The recruiting class thing, yeah there is some diappointment w/the Surtain/Goodrich deal, but when you sign a bunch of lineman on both sides of the ball to fill your trenches, then it's not going to be a highly ranked class. The next 2 years will be tell-tale about his recruiting prowness. Jury's out on that one, in my mind.
