No matter how you slice it Miles still was more successful ,in his time at LSU, than Saban. That's all that is being said. Not speculating about what could have been, only what is. It's really ok that Miles wins the best coach in LSU history award. Saban gets to be the best coach ever, and bask in Alabama glory. I know you are not putting down Miles. That earlier comment was to another poster not you. You have been very classy.
You’re so funny. Yes the gump’s win at all costs boosters helped. However what Saban learned from Miami propelled him as Gump HC. It was a failure and his response to it is what made him better. He learned one thing was to take full control and be stronger. He emerged more focused and stronger....like steel does from the furnace. He learned to be flexible like his change from his disaster in Tuscaloosa of November 2011 to January 2012 and beyond. Les as good as he was couldn’t take the pressure of facing Saban time and again. He couldn’t make the changes necessary and emerged from his crucible weakened. It’s a process not a lightening strike. Yes Les is the winningest greatest coach in LSU history and better than Saban was at LSU. However Les faded and Saban has dominated like no other in CFB history. Give the devil his due. That doesn’t diminish what Les did....they’re two different arguments.
What he told you all this, or are you making it all up. "Like steel does from the furnance" you made me spit my coffee out when I read that.....I'm still laughing. Nobody could take the pressure of Saban......yes we know he is the greatest ever. Thanks for saying Les was the greatest at LSU...Les would have won ten games his last full season at LSU (McNeese) so fading is a not the right word. He always had winning seasons at LSU. Nothing wrong with 8-4 and 9-3 seasons, especially when you go through miserably bad ones. They were both damn good football coaches at LSU. The best we have ever had.
Saban would have made lsu a dynasty. Hell he set it up for miles to do just that and miles had it going for some time. He was just too committed to bo schembechler. Saban is very much the same coach as he was from the get go. Minus offensive philosophy. Hes always had the process which is hard work and attention to detail. He actually had a binder. Sure he's adapted some and matured a little but he failed in the nfl bc hes a college coach. His shit doesn't work in the nfl then or now. And he'd bomb again if he went back yet he's the best coach college football has ever seen statistically. And clearly the best coach to ever lead lsu out on tiger stadium.
The Saban now is much better than the LSU Saban... He gets better every year. That's why he's one of the greatest college coaches of all time.
It's no use trying to correct the Sabanistas. They completely lose their shit trying to prove 75% is somehow better than 77.2%. I've given up on them. But hell, I'll give it a go for old time's sake. Non-Sabanistas understsnd it's all about Money & buyiny more 5 star talent than any other team in college football, every year. He's not a miracle worker, just out-talents everyone. What if he stayed at LSU? Easy. Take interfering Joe Alleva, cut recruiting budget by 2/3 compared to Alabama & then see where Saban would be. Not at LSU. He would have left as soon as Alleva started meddling & delaying coaching hires, plus reducing recruiting trip funding. Just one example: Alleva taking 2 seasons to get Dave Aranda here. Causing the Steele temporary hiring. And the BOS member leaking to the Baton Rouge Advocate how Miles would he fired, if he didn't win his last 3 games. Most understood that leak was a massive distraction to the 2015 team. IF 'ol Saban had stuck around here, likely the same fate as Miles. The fans would have turned on him while Urban Meyer was kicking his ass yearly, as the coach at Alabama. He'd. be "Retired" & collecting a hefty income from his buyout clause. "Attention to Detail" - A favorite of the Sabanistas. - Putting the wrong team on the field during a FG attempt against Auburn. It was so bad, it was, called by TV announcers & surprisingly radio announcers too before it happened. Called a "Brain Cramp" by ESPN & others. - Losing to UAB (LSU) - Losing to ULM (BAMA) Both are seen by Sabanistas as "Teachable Moments". Everyone else just laughs at that nonsense. Also when Saban lost to Tennessee & later beat them that year, was called a "Turning Point" . Of course we went 8- 5 the following year, but a turning point nontheless. They can't see & would never admit, that Saban is pretty good when given 2 chances to beat a team. Very strange our Sabanistas. They are as you mentioned in an earlier post, "Cheeks spread" for Saban, despite being 2nd best coach in LSU football history. This will never, ever change for them. They will die loving & believing in their cult hero. They will lie to their children about his time at LSU, creating future Sabanistas.. They need to feel they are somehow a relevant part of "The greatest coach of all time" ( Since Bear Bryant, anyway) "LSU Made Saban, not the other way around" is an example often posted. Trying desperately to hold onto a tiny piece of "Saban Goodness" , who's obviously not a part of Louisiana now & hasn't been for a very long time. He was a 5 year coach, who had bigger fish to fry. The strangest thing lately is, 90% of them say: "You better love & respect Coach Oeaux or you need to geaux pull for another team". It's unclear why they love, thank constantly & respect Saban, while demanding & expecting complete alliegience to IMO, a unbelievably unqualified Ed Orgeron, whom they expect to lose to Saban. Something doesn't quite add up here. Loving both Saban & "Oeaux" at the same time? Strange that they won't acknowledge Les Miles, who is the closest thing we have ever had to a Bear Bryant or a Nick Saban level coach. Where does all of this leave LSU football? Not in a good place, IMO.
