Should we reopen the book on Evolution?

martin:

You might want to look into this subject a bit more....

link:

Real-life case of demon possession documented


also:

According to our working definition of science there can't be a natural explanation for these events. Unless, the Ph. D is lying.

martin:

This is certainly untrue.

I suppose you are going to say the New York diocese is lying?

 

well surely crazy magic is more likely than some dude lying.

i suppose they can put aside the boys they are raping and find some time for lying, yes.

 

how is this relevant to your claim that there are no priests in new york familiar with exorcisms?

You just want to insult the church...go ahead, man...the church can take it....if Christ assured that the gates of hell will not prevail against it I'm sure some spitballs from martin of new york will not bring it down.

Seriously, though....with this definition of science then these cases are unexplainable. But that did happen...science is therefore deficient in providing us with the whole story of what happens with human beings on this planet.

 

it was a cheap shot they deserved.

again, i just dont think you are aware of what magic is. its a fake thing, yunno?

assuming an actual event that is unexplainable, and not your stupid demon possessions, which are clearly either lies or hallucinations, why would you assume that because they were unexplainable that magic was involved?

 

I get that you want to call supernatural things magic. I don't think those words mean what you think they mean though.

My point is that you can infer that the supernatual world exists by events in the natural world.

This would mean science will, by definition, gives an inaccurate interpretation of events whenever the supernatural is involved.

We should get a different working definition of science....or resign ourselves to being hopelessly misled.....

 

PURPLE TIGER:

This is an effort to discredit your opponent so you don't have to deal with the ideas being discussed. People who are supporting a falsehood are forced to do it.

The funny thing is you can't really do it in an honest debate or else you lose. You can do it all the time everywhere else and you usually win....at the cocktail party, in the newspaper, internet. But get two intelligent people together for a genuine debate and watch the guy who starts calling the other guy a kook or whackjob.....he loses credibility immediately. It's amazing how much the social situation changes things.

 

i am aware that most children and some adults believe in magic. enjoy your fantasies.

 

Things that are okay to say:

1. I don't know.
2. I don't understand.

Things that are NOT okay to say:

1. I don't know anything about how weather develops, but I just can't deal with the idea that I don't know everything. What I think happened is that this dude walked out on the water then told the winds to stop blowing and the waves to calm. Yeah, that'll work.
2. You see how the world kind of disappears off into the distance? I wonder what's beyond there? I think it just ends. Yeah, it ends like the edge of a table and you just fall off. That is if you don't get eaten by the sea monsters.

Moral of the Story: Stop making **** up just because you're unable to fathom the unexplainable.

 

what is it you think I am making up?