Should we reopen the book on Evolution?

please show me where I have been dishonest....

evolution is a theory, please learn to understand what words mean.

If I have, I have tried to avoid it as much as possible. I was trying to shoot some holes in evolutionary theory. Religion would be an interesting topic, though. Why don't you start a thread?

I am in fact denying evolution. This you got correct.

My suspicions have been aroused by the fact that the same people push a host of ideas that are both anti-Christian and patently absurd. I think it was Hitler that said the people will believe a big lie easier than a litte one?

Anyway, look at the mindset that pushes these ideas...."they" refuse to have a debate on the merits of the ideas themselves, they instead constantly demonize the opposition in anyway possible. This helps to insure that the debate will go nowhere as either the other party begins to insult them as well or will simply tire of the juvenile debate that results.

Anyway, for the most part these people will tell you:

1) Government will help you solve your problems.
2) Abortion is part of reproductive health.
3) Global warming is fact.
4) The 2nd Amendment doesn't really mean you can own guns.
5) The US has invaded two muslim countries in order to establish democracy there.
6) Life on earth is simply a statistical accident...a chance occurance with no design or purpose.
7) The US government would never execute a false flag operation.
8) Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
9) The people who created this country weren't really even Christian.

Some less well known but equally absurd propositions by the "enemy" camp are:

-a discussion about the origin of life on a university internet forum is an "embarrassment". By the way there are only two possible contenders in such a discussion. Creation or Evolution. That's it. There are no other possibilities.

-that if one finds such topics interesting and discussion enjoyable then you are a kook, whack job or despicable.

 

" Misuse and misunderstanding of these terms...."

Evolution as theory and fact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

again, you are basing your entire stupid point on very simply misunderstandings and unwillingness to accept reality. evolution is a fact, and observable and real phenomenon.

again, because we study gravity and we call that study, the study of "gravitational theory", that doesnt mean gravity is to be questioned.

i majored in "political theory" in college. perhaps this means politics is made up and just a "theory.

see now how you should be embarrassed?

you are a case study in why humans are terrible. they are credulous morons, all grappling with other to be the first to believe something stupid.

you dont simply "find these topic enjoyable". you spread lies, one after another. you pretend as if you are simply asking questions. you are a truther. that is what they do. you have just expanded the scope of your lunacy to involve other topics.

 

Also from Wikipedia:

 

By denying evolution you are not "poking holes" or making it less of a fact. You only serve to make yourself look stupid. Evolution is a fact in the same way as the Earth revolving around the Sun is a fact. The evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of evolution, much the same way that there is evidence in favor of the Earth revolving around the Sun. "Fact" does not always mean that something has been proven to an absolute certainty; It means that it has been proven time and time again so often that there is no reason to keep looking.

Evolution is still considered a theory on some levels still, though. In science a theory is based on observable facts and predictable outcomes. Gravity is the same way. You might as well deny that water is wet.

It is in this gray area that fundies make a foothold because they misunderstand the relationship in science between facts and theories.

 

I must admit I hadn't really had a clear distinction in my mind when I started the thread. I also readily admit that I think the "atheistic" explanation of how we got here has its weakest link at the origin of life itself.

If they can't explain how life got started from non-living matter than the only explanation left is some sort of creator, intelligent design, however you want to call it.

Also, regarding the country and it's origins. I am aware that some of the Founders are Masons or Deists and I never claimed they were all church going Chrisitians.

What I said was that this country was built by people who were overwhelmingly Christian. The european people who came here were almost all Christian to some degree or another.

Do you think they were Jews? Or Muslims? Or Buddhists or Hindus? Or Atheists? Get real.....

 

I said earlier evolution was a theory and was told by others on this forum that it is fact.

Maybe I should have titled the thread something about abiogenesis. A valid point.

Will have to address the rest of these points later.

 

so who does the burden of proof fall on, the creationists or the darwinists?