Just to add my .02 cents..... Saban is certainly a damn good coach but like everyone he has his negatives. The question is whether the positives outweigh the negatives....I personally didn't like Saban's personality and the fact that he seemed to play so close to the vest and rely on his D so much. Miles has positives and negatives as well.....and at the moment I'd say the positives are still in his favor. For one, I like the fact that he gambles occasionally. Sometimes that makes you look stupid. If Peterson stays in bounds on the onside try then Miles was having a good game til the finish of the game. The sequence at the end looks particularly bad because the questionable onside kick in the first half cost us 7 points. But I like the fact that he rolls the dice occasionally....I think it makes LSU more exciting to watch. The main problem is one of Miles major negatives is clock management and that needs to improve. If he does improve then stick with him. He recruits too well and instills loyalty from both staff and players. He is a good representative of LSU in most cases. That being said if he cannot improve the clock management skills then he must go. Part of the hiring on Miles in the beginning was the understanding he may need to grow into the position. Let that process happen if it can. If it is proven that he cannot grow into the position than the orginal understanding will still have been honored. Be the coach that LSU deserves and he gets to keep the keys. :lsup:
Yeah, that's what I was referring to. It depends which stats you look at. You don't seem interested in delving any further than W/L. That's a very shallow measure of a coach, particularly in Miles' situation. He seems to be following in the footsteps of Coker. Part of Miles' job is talking to the fans, giving them some insight. See weekly radio show, plethora of press conferences, etc. In this aspect of the job he fails. I care about stats, and not just skimming the surface. And I see a lack of excellence from and development of players. Like someone else said, our four and five star players are getting pushed around by 0-3 star players. This loss wasn't Miles first strike. I've been waiting for Miles and his team to "figure it out" for most of his tenure - at some point you have to come to the realization that it isn't going to happen. Me too, that is one great thing about Miles, though Saban had a pretty good go of it in that regard too while he was over here. (PS - How awesome would it be for Saban to go to the golden domers? Of course, he'd leave Bama better than he received them, same as us. But I could hate him a little less.) Another thing I like about Miles is that he made the right decision in regards to Perrilloux (well, maybe not in recruiting him, but in canning him - of course, I don't think he had a choice at that point). I do like that Miles doesn't blow a gasket everytime a player screws up, though I think there is something to be said about Saban's fiery passion. I'm beginning to doubt the fanfare associated with our recruiting classes OR Miles' ability to develop talent. But I will agree that in general Miles is a good representative of LSU. No major off the field issues with the team (aside from Perrilloux) is a plus. Bowl game performances are a plus. The fact that other respected coaches are struggling mightily makes me want to give Miles a little more of a break (though I'm not sure how much I respect the likes of Carroll or Stoops). I like your attitude in this post.
My point is my friend is that since LSU has better athletes, they were able to pull out the victories over UGA and MSU. The coaching hasn't been there all season and we are a just a yard and a excessive celebration penalty away from having 5 losses right now. Make sense? The only game where LSU was on their 'A' game was against Auburn. The coaching staff and players were prepared and ready to play that week and the Tigers dominated. I don't have to bring up the Louisiana Tech game, do I?
Geez, Bama fans must read this board and giggle their asses off. They are banging our ex, and we are sitting over here talking about how great in the sack she was, and how we would take her back, and she is better than our current squeeze. Saban isn't coming back. And i for one am glad he isn't. Is he a better coach, maybe, maybe not. If he was so awesome, why did we lose to UAB? If he was so awesome, why did we have to sneak away from Kentucky with a hail mary victory when Kentucky sucked butts. If he was so awesome, why did we lose not 1 but 2 games on hail mary's. If he was so awesome, why did the best team in the history of LSU lose at home to a freshman in Chris Leak and Ron Zook. If he was a better coach why did he lose to ULM? Both are coaches, both have flaws. If i had to pick give me Miles. If Saban is better it isn't by much, but Les Miles is a far better human being.
Who said they want Saban back? As far as who is the better coach, if you have trouble with that then I question your rationality and opinion. I criticized Saban when he was here, but like I've said before, there is no such thing as the perfect coach. Saban gets results and demands excellence. Miles just seems to be ambling down the winding road of 1a football oblivious to the pitfalls before him.
Just because you demand excellence doesn't mean you are a better coach. What results has he gotten, since he has left exactly, won the SEC West 2 times in a row, i will give you that. And as far as who is the better coach, i'm sorry but facts are facts. You act like the cupboard was bare when Saban got here. It wasn't. Fred Booker Ryan Clark Damien James Rohan Davey Trev Faulk Bradie James LaBrandon Toefield Josh Reed Domanick Davis Norman LeJune Tommy Banks Eric Edwards Jarvis Green Rodney Reed Brandon Winey Kyle Kipps Robert Royal Howard Green Saban always had great assistants here as well, this is also the first time Saban will have back to back 10 win seasons. Saban did just as much questionable bullsh!t here as Miles has, its called coaching, sometimes you make a great move sometimes you are a goat. At least Miles hasn't lost to UAB or Monroe. I bet Miles has never been investigated either. Question my sanity all you want, but i will take Miles over Saban every time. If you want him, i'm sure there are stores around where you live where you can find Alabama gear.
What kills me about this board after reading it for as many years as I have is how one fan can say "you are not a fan because you don't share my opinion". Personally I think it is all stupid. Whether you like Les or hate Les it does not change your opinion of LSU or your loyalty.
Now you're arguing that the program that Saban inherited is the same that Miles inherited. Saban didn't leave us better off than he found us. And I was concerned about Miles fitting a square peg in a round hole. You are flat out wrong, man, but if it helps you sleep and accept who's coaching this team, I suppose there is value in thinking that way. I don't know about just as much, but I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Miles is nothing but terrible - he has his damn strong qualities. Like I just said, though, I was critical of Saban while he was here and I realize no coach is perfect. I just got through saying I wouldn't look to go the Saban route again if I had the chance (though I'd probably still have to consider him). If it wasn't in this thread, I'm reiterating it here now hoping I don't have to listen to that ridiculous sentiment from you again.
